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Party Unity My Ass!

Posted by taggles on June 18, 2009

puma pawI’ve been noticing a lot lately on other blogs that many are coming out of the obamacon stupor. From torture to LGBT to healthcare to transparency to bank bail outs to the environment. Obama’s total reversal on many of his campaign promises have left many feeling betrayed. If you read almost any blog you use to visit prior to the purge of liberals during the primaries of 2008 and the split of the Democratic Party you will find many posters who are making the same arguments against Obama that we have been making for well over a year. Now, this is not to say that there aren’t any true Obama believers out there, but there are just as many questioning Obama who are angry and frustrated with the man they helped get elected who now turns his back on them.

For instance, take this article written by Gene Lyons at Salon:

Sickly talk about fixing healthcare

President Barack Obama was elected with perhaps the best chance in a generation to reform America’s unjust and grotesquely inefficient healthcare system. To do so, however, he’ll have to conquer not only entrenched special interests like the insurance and pharmaceutical industries and the American Medical Association but also his own sentimental rhetoric about bipartisanship.

According to Washington Post columnist David Broder, “The president has told visitors that he would rather have 70 votes in the Senate for a bill that gives him 85 percent of what he wants rather than a 100 percent satisfactory bill that passes 52 to 48.” That kind of talk gets a certain kind of Beltway pundit purring like a housecat on a windowsill.

It’s a mistake, anyway. As the source for this heartwarming anecdote was evidently Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who recently dispatched a peevish Twitter message complaining about Obama’s “sightseeing” while visiting France to commemorate D-Day, perhaps it needn’t be taken too seriously.

The article by Gene Lyons wasn’t even that hard hitting, if you read the entire article you will see he even makes some excuses for Obama, but the responses to this article warms the cockles of my little PUMA heart:

Boycott BarakObama.com
For those of us that receive e-mail from BarakObama.com and want to get the attention of the Whitehouse on healthcare, war, gay rights, kissing the GOP’s ass etc, we should all “unsubscribe”. A few million goodbye’s should get the presidents attention and tell him to grow a pair.

Obama and his “bi-partisan” horseshit
According to Washington Post columnist David Broder, “The president has told visitors that he would rather have 70 votes in the Senate for a bill that gives him 85 percent of what he wants rather than a 100 percent satisfactory bill that passes 52 to 48.”
This is exactly what’s wrong with Obama.

Thank you, commenters
Thanks to those who’ve commented so accurately regarding Obama’s fatal weakness and cowardice.

If I never hear the word “bi-partisan” again, I will die happy

Obama isn’t talking about fixing healthcare…
…he’s talking about creating the appearance of fixing healthcare.

Fuck Obama. He will NOT enact health care reform that improves the quality of and access to health care for Americans or that produces improved care for lower cost. He has no intention of doing what must be done; he’s either too spineless to offend the powers that be or too beholden to them, or both. His not very eloquent double talk is a cover for who he really is: a mediocrity, a hack, a self-serving punk with visions of grandiosity. His very insistence on getting broad support over encouraging legislation that will actually solve our problems is what will defeat his true goal: to be remembered as a great President.

He will either be forgotten as one more in a line of nonentities, or vilified for his great failure to enact real change at the historical period where there was such real change was actually a possibility.

I plan on enjoying every single moment of this. I am not a mean person, a vindictive person, or even a person who needs to be right all the time. But this is just too good to not watch!

149 Responses to “Party Unity My Ass!”

  1. TorchWood said

    So will I. But gotta admit, I AM a vindictive person. I’m also looking forward 3.5 years of Obot-bashing.

    Get Better Soon, Hilary!!

    -TW-

  2. taggles said

    alright, i might be a tad vindictive! LOL ;-)

  3. garychapelhill said

    TV Aqui magazine describes the exchange on its Twitter page:

    “Ricky Martin talked to our editor Saudy Rivera and accepted his heart could belong to male or a female…more in our next issue.”

    In other breaking news, the sky is still blue!!!

    http://advocate.com/news_detail_ektid91555.asp

  4. TorchWood said

    Whew! Thought for a second you were replaced by a pod-person, Tags. And did Ricky Martin ever get those butt implants for his non-existent a**?

    Much love, Guys

    -TW-

  5. la-t-da said

    I am not a “told you so” kinda of person. It’s an automatic guarantee to put people in a defense stance. I want them to stop defending the Messiah anyway. So my not being a “told you so” kinda person has much more to do with “practical” rather an attempt at spiritual bliss.

    With that said, is it vindictive of me to hope they are suffering the same pain and mental torment that we did to watch Hillary get fucked over? Yes I can! I hope their torment is triple fold. They should keep their little pea brains out of commission for a voting-block-lifetime!

  6. DYB said

    TW> There were pictures of Ricky Martin in a speedo doing push-ups on the beach. He looks very good in a speedo. Not sure about the butt implants, though!

    Back to the subject at hand, I am vindictive! And I’m glad to see people waking up, whether it’s at advocate.com or at many of the blog sites who were carrying Obama’s water. It’s interesting that the gay rights issue is what has exploded the loudest…so far.

  7. taggles said

    gary, that is news about ricky martin??? I thought this was known long ago?? No?

  8. garychapelhill said

    my only fear is that their outrage is only temporary. Anyone see the movie Awakenings? how long before they slip back into their catatonic obamacoma?

  9. garychapelhill said

    taggles, apparently everyone knew but Ricky :)

  10. taggles said

    It really is giving me great pleasure DYB! To see them getting the treatment for the bots that we got, and to see them edging their way back into a reality based political atmosphere.

  11. taggles said

    yeah, gary that is a risk, but I just can’t turn away from watching it.

  12. angiencpets said

    Good lord Obama keeps proving himself to be even dumber than I thought. A bill that passes 52 to 48 is JUST AS MUCH THE LAW as a bill that passes by 70 votes. He is a such a fraud, that we need a new word for fraud.

  13. taggles said

    his post partisan bullshit is getting old. they are starting to realize that bi partisan is not a conviction he holds, it is a political ploy and scheme. an excuse to fuck everyone and evey principle over.

  14. taggles said

    Ofrauda, Afraud, Barfraud, obamafraudarama?

  15. garychapelhill said

    maybe ricky martin took some gleemonex…

  16. angiencpets said

    taggles — his post-partisan bullshit was old during the primary. That is why as much as I love seeing these morons “wake up” it still infuriates me that they ever fell for it in the first place. And actually, they didn’t just “fall for it” — the viciously attacked anyone who dared bring up even the most reasonable criticism of him.

    I’m enjoying their pain, but they have a lot more suffering to go through before they are rehabbed imo.

    Essentially, they can all still kiss my ass.

  17. Regency said

    I’m totally showing my bitch side right now, but is this really the best thing the Senate could have done with its time?

    Senate Approves Resolution Apologizing for Slavery

    WASHINGTON — The Senate has unanimously passed a resolution apologizing for slavery and racial segregation and sent the measure to the House.

    Iowa Democrat Tom Harkin first introduced the measure years ago but wanted it passed Thursday on the eve of Juneteenth — a day of celebration commemorating the end of the Civil War and the release of African Americans from slavery. He said the House is to take it up soon and that a formal celebration will be held next month in the Capitol Rotunda.

    The Senate has passed such nonbinding but highly symbolic resolutions before, apologizing for such things as the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

    The resolution passed Thursday includes a disclaimer saying that nothing in it supports or authorizes reparations by the United States.

  18. Regency said

    I keep forgetting to type the QUOTE code correctly.

  19. Three Wickets said

    Bipartisanship means he get’s nothing done, reaches in vain for new voters on the right, alienates more of his presumptive base on the left. Only reason he’s still above 50% approval is the absence of leadership on the right. But the GOP will get its act together. They always do. Then what.

  20. SHV said

    Who is Ricky Martin???

  21. TorchWood said

    Gary, I don’t think that this is a temporary thing. Remember, most ‘bots (and apparently That One) weren’t looking past the GE.

    Now that he’s doesn’t have an opponent to demonize, actually has to DO with people are calling him on his BS something does he realize, “Gee Bush (spit) was right. This IS hard work.”

    Gonna be a long 3.5 years in the spotlight for him. Me, I’m just enjoying watching him fry in his own grease.

  22. taggles said

    Angie, i have to agree with latda on this. what good is it to push away people who have come to the realization that obama is a fraud? that’s just defeating ourselves.

    but I understand where the feelings come from. have had them myself. I am looking at it a bit more strategically vs. an emotional personal view.

  23. garychapelhill said

    SHV:

  24. TorchWood said

    angiencpets – “Essentially, they can all still kiss my ass.”

    Tru ‘dat, Girl. My sentiments exactly.

    -TW-

  25. garychapelhill said

    god, I forgot the WTC was in that video…it still gives me goose bumps to see it in older clips…

  26. taggles said

    i always loved the song, shake your bon bon.

  27. la-t-da said

    “It’s interesting that the gay rights issue is what has exploded the loudest…so far.”

    DYB, we have never put much faith in elected officials or public servants anyway. Get the crap beat out of you by those that vow to “serve and protect” (Stonewall), get “ignored” during the AIDS crisis (Reagan), watch your community tax dollars be stolen to support programs that benefit others and not your community, doesn’t instill much faith. If politicians were to be trusted, Harvey Milk would not have done what he did. Our community has nothing to loss when it comes down to it. I look forward to be a “low level terrorist” in October. Hell, at least we will have caught the eye of at least one government agency.

  28. Pat Johnson said

    Perhaps Obama is just waiting for that great orator and champion of all, Al Franken, to be seated before he acts on anything.

    I’m just looking for an excuse here since most of them so far have been convoluted, wishful thinking, fingers crossed, shaped like pretzels, and so damned hopeful from the Obots that they have exhausted everything else that reason demands to find fault with this Millard Fillmore impersonator.

  29. helenk said

    I am not a Glenn Beck fan but this letter to him spoke for me.

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/26742/

    This person says a lot about how we feel.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  30. janicen said

    It’s a guilty pleasure, taggles. I have to confess to going to the WaPo to read the John Edwards article just to peek at the comments. Johnny boy doesn’t have too many friends out there!

    The “…I need a huge majority in order to accomplish anything…” is just an excuse for not keeping his campaign promises.

  31. la-t-da said

    Do I have to give glennbeck.com a click, Helen? Only for you will I do this.

  32. garychapelhill said

    I think he actually wants the dems to lose seats in 2010. He told the freshman dems that they would be cut off if they voted against his war spending bill, and I don’t see how that can mean anything other than they hope their republican challengers will win.

  33. la-t-da said

    I did it, Helen. It was a very well organized and well thought out letter. Perhaps her issues are ideologically different, or don’t include some left of the spectrum concerns, but one thing that she is touching upon is that many people are starting to withdrawal faith that any political party will serve the American people.

  34. garychapelhill said

    latda, I notice that too at the “awakening” at the Avocate among commenters. They are just as pissed off at the Democratic Party as they are with Obama. I know that part of that is the propaganda message coming from the WH to deflect all criticism onto congress, but it also comes from decades of being faithful, hardworking members of the party only to be shit on time and time again. I really hope this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back. No longer will we work for some future prize like indentured servents. We want to be paid up front from now on if they expect anything from us, just like every other electoral consituency out there. Just because there is no “alternative” doesn’t mean we can’t just sit back and have a cocktail while they go it alone against the crazy wingers.

  35. la-t-da said

    “I don’t see how that can mean anything other than they hope their republican challengers will win.”

    What would that serve him, Gary? Probably an excuse as to why he won’t be able to get his “progressive” legislation passed (snark). Or two more years of firing the bots up to blame those damn “Republicans”, i.e. another win in 2012.

    If a true progressive does not run against him in 2012, he will win. With his record and positions so far, he will be forced to run as a centrist. No one will buy his “progressive” stance.

    I would love to see Bernie Sanders run or see a women rise with his positions. That would put and Independent in the mix. The Republicans could at least say he is a “socialist”, and they wouldn’t sound like idiots for saying that about Obama.

  36. la-t-da said

    “No longer will we work for some future prize like indentured servents.”

    I am getting ready for the LBGT community to actually bit the bullet and go all the way. If any community has the right to do tax-resistance it is us. I am so sick of the government stealing our money. It also is an issue that many heterosexuals, of either party, don’t seem to be vocal about. Many of them seem willing to take our tax dollars as long as they can still get there married social security benefits. This is probably out of ignorance more than anything else, meaning that many people do not think about it at that level.

  37. la-t-da said

    Pat, if you are around today, the Homo Agenda is being revealed.

  38. janicen said

    This is all about ego for Obama. He has no idea how to lead. He has never done it before. He just wants the glory and kowtowing and to jet around so people can kiss his ass over and over. That’s what he is all about. He had no legislative agenda during his campaign. He just copied off of Hillary’s paper.

    So now, he has a majority in the House and in the Senate. We should be seeing sweeping reform, but he doesn’t know what the hell to do. He has no plan.

    Someone could come to my house today and present my daughter with the Porsche she goes on and on about wanting, but if she doesn’t learn to drive, it won’t do her much good. We gave Obama his “Porsche”, but he has no earthly idea how to drive it.

  39. DYB said

    latda> I agree with your analysis of why the gay community is so angry. I would just add that as cynical as we are many of us (though not me and you, and others in PUMA) recognized that Obama was not only no different, he was worse than many. With the homobigotry he displayed during the primaries I’m astonished so many in the gay community fell for it. They wanted to believe and hope like the rest of the public. Now they’re awakening to realize that Obama is not our savior. I wonder if we’re reached or passed the tipping point. But what will happen in 2010 and 2012? Will the gay community still support the D? I think so, alas.

  40. Butters said

    FYI

    UPDATED: More drop out of DNC fundraiser over DOMA brief: VT’s State Senate Pres., donor Bruce Bastian, now NGLTF. Where is GLAD, NBJC, GMHC?
    by Joe Sudbay (DC) on 6/18/2009 12:49:00 PM
    UPDATED and bumped @ 12:49 PM: We just got word that Rea Carey from the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force has pulled out of the DNC fundraiser next week.
    ________________________
    Two more defections from the $1,000 a head DNC fundraiser. (That’s seven people on the initial “superstar” list that the DNC was using to drum up more attendees, now gone.) And, both are significant.

    http://www.americablog.com

  41. Butters said

    Janicen, you got it!

    And don’t forget Obama also wants to jet around kissing the King of Arabia!

  42. helenk said

    Latda
    Most of what the write said makes sense. I got that she was like most of the democrats that lost faith in the party and then found out the republican party is no better. Today neither party represents the American people.
    When she was telling congress to do the job they were elected to do, or be replaced I agree with her.

    PS
    I had the pleasure of telling the LA Times that I did not support the cutting down of trees for an obama newsletter.
    They keep calling me to resubscribe.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  43. SHV said

    Someone could come to my house today and present my daughter with the Porsche she goes on and on about wanting,
    ********
    The perfect lead-in to the “Study hard and stay in school” lecture.

  44. la-t-da said

    I just think, DYB, that if progressive Dems and Republicans, especially women, would join with us in full force for “coming out” against the Messiah, then we would have a true revolt of party politics.

    The thing I was most disgruntled by with the gay community is that the gay bots went along and treated him like a Messiah. Hell, Messiahs, have never served us, so that seemed the most hypocritical to me on the LBGT communities part.

    I give the gay community as a whole credit for coming out first, but I also live in a city where the majority of the gay community supported Hillary in the primaries. And besides all that, I will never ever forget that Hillary Rodham Clinton thanked her LBGT supporters at least six times in her “suspension” speech.

    The gays pulling out of the DNC fundraiser might be thanking her back. Wouldn’t that be cool that we helped Hillary Clinton make her comeback. A lesbo can wish.

  45. Butters said

    FYI

    Anti-LGBT Hate Crimes Highest at Ten Year High

    http://www.towleroad.com/2009/06/antilgbt-hate-crimes-highest-at-ten-year-high.html

    Thanks a Lot Obama!

  46. angiencpets said

    taggles — I don’t so much mean “push them away” as “keep our eyes on them for future fuck ups” They’ve proven they can’t be trusted & are easily fooled.

    and yeah, they can still kiss my ass — they’ve got a lot of groveling to do to make up for what they’ve done! :-)

  47. la-t-da said

    More info on Hillary’s fall and fracture. I wonder if this was why Obama was late to the historic memo signing:

    “Crowley said Clinton was walking toward her official vehicle in the State Department’s basement garage when she fell about 5 p.m. Wednesday. At the time, she and Richard Holbrooke, the administration’s coordinator of policy on Afghanistan and Pakistan, were headed to a meeting at the White House.”

    http://tucson.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D98T7I100&_action=validatearticle

  48. Pat Johnson said

    I keep missing the “agenda”. I look and look and, nothing! Not fair!

  49. DYB said

    I hadn’t heard about Hillary’s fall at all!

  50. fuzzybeargville said

    Taggles you just made my trip “Homo” for lunch so wonderful with this Post I cannot help myself…I am an extremely vindictive when it comes to just retribution….

    We need a song called “I told you so…” just like the F*ck You very much song….for all the dissillusioned Obats!

  51. fuzzybeargville said

    I guess Hillary wants to prove she can still doher job even with 1 armed tied behind her back (or in a cast)…

    Unlike Pampers who cant do his job even with opponent crushing majorities in both houses the MSM in his pocket and TOTUS!

  52. janicen said

    SHV, my husband’s standard response is…”You can have a Porsche when you can pay for the car, the maintainance, and the insurance.”

    She just asks for one because she hears it from her friends. We have no intention of buying her a car of any kind. A kid will take much better care of a car she has to buy herself. But, I have to admire her for asking!

  53. Zee said

    I agree with TorchWood…I am a bitter vindictive person and in the original post I could not read past the report of the MORONS who now say if they never see the word “bipartisan” again…TOO FUCKING LATE, TOOL!!!!!!!

    If you weren’t frothing at the mouth the first time the Trojan Ass praised REAGAN, you are the problem, and you can DIE for all I care.

    No forgiveness, ever. But go ahead and scrape and bow and beg, anyway, because you owe us so much more than that.

  54. Pat Johnson said

    I keep thinking about what it actually means when people mention empathy. What it means to fully appreciate what people experience when they walk in the shoes of somebody else.

    I felt the sting of rejection as a small child coming from a wholly dysfunctional background not of my own making when some parents refused to let their children play with my brother and I because of our home situation. An alcoholic father and an enabler mother whose self centered attitudes cause their own offspring to mostly “do without”. As children we were forced to find comfort in the company of one another, finding companionship and acceptance as a means of survival. Our clothing and toys were vastly limited and as a result we stood out for all the wrong reasons. As we grew older, when young girls especially began to place an emphasis on wearing just the right outfit, it was glaringly apparent that I would never fit in.

    What happens to these children who meet rejection so early in their development is the need to blend in somehow. Even if that blending means nothing more than being seen and not heard. Even if it means that their only hope of getting through a day is to become part of the background in the hopes that one is not noticed for fear of ridicule. Even if it means rooting down deeply into the psyche and suffering the loss of identity. Even if it means that you hide from yourself and others to avoid the judgment that you cannot ignore. Whatever it takes to hold back the hurt of rejection and knowing that in many ways you will never measure up to the standards that have been placed before you and whose ladder you can never hope to climb.

    My brother overcame this rejection through sports. I became more withdrawn, planning for the day when I could escape this yoke and reinvent myself. I was most comfortable among strangers as they had nothing of my history from which to judge. The fear of always being rejected for something I could not control was paramount to my fierce desire to change the circumstances of my own life in order to erase the hurt and pain of those earlier years. Somehow, some way, I was able to do just that but always with the belief that rejection, a handy tool of the righteous, would never be far.

    We have been told how closely the feminist movement and the LBGT community co exist in their quest for equality. Some of this has a ring a truth, but consider that women make up 51% of the population, and a straight woman at least is afforded a far greater opportunity to overcome her handicap by sheer dint of will alone. She may not be able to change her gender but her drive, her intelligence, her will power can almost guarantee a shift in her favor. This is not always the case for those who are gay.

    Gays have learned early in life as well the lessons of rejection. They have been conditioned to accept that they are considered “different”. In many instances this difference has been colored as bad, unhealthy, unwholesome, vile, an abomination. They have learned to conceal their true selves, to hide who they truly are, to deny their own humanness out of a sense of survival. They have had to contend with disapproving families, religious institutions, employers, neighbors, the media, and have often only found the empathy they seek amongst themselves. The percentage of gays falls far from the 51% of women while their strength lies well within the communities they have built for themselves as their means of riding the wave of rejection that has dogged them for centuries. They are “different” as they have been told and taught.

    Imagine living one’s life in fear. Fear of discovery. Fear of the inability to be what you truly are. Fear of the rejection that sets you outside the considered “norm”. Fear of being ridiculed. Of never feeling safe enough to discuss your emotions, or speak of your lover, or your inability to be equal while the rest of the world continues to define you. What must that feel like to live without the surety and acceptance accorded to everyone else while you can only sit and wait?

    The correlation between the feminists and the LBGT community is not whole. A woman can reinvent, can overcome, can follow the voices of many of her sisters in arms, can fight for her rights without having to justify herself to a large extent. Gays cannot “reinvent” themselves. They are who they are. While the hand delivered to me at the time of my birth was based on the actions of the people who brought me into this world, a gay person is and ever will be what he/she was designed to be from their moment of entry.

    So while I hear the message of the feminist community for equality, I know full well they will succeed just based on their numbers alone. Changing the face of congress can make that promise an absolute in a matter of time. But for the gay community, of which I am merely a “peripheral member” by virtue of a child for whom my love and affection has no bounds, their time is nowhere near to reaching that equality they so rightly deserve. The rejection continues to roll over them in waives of intolerance and fear.

    No one should live like this. It is a sin to deny the masterpiece that is God’s work and until that has been achieved, the fight to keep climbing the ladder of equality will not be accomplished without many, many more tears. Rejection is the worst of all sins as it stands as an illustration that one does not count. The hurt that ensues is difficult to undo. The empathy is in feeling those same emotions and recognizing that they flow in all of us, regardless of gender or orientation. To have one’s heart pierced is enough to produce the empathy. It hurts.

  55. SHV said

    ”You can have a Porsche when you can pay for the car, the maintainance, and the insurance.” and the best odds of being able to do that is delayed gratification, working hard and staying in school. :>)

  56. garychapelhill said

    That’s Senator Boxer to you General! During a hearing Sen. Boxer reprimands a general for calling her Ma’am. Link to video, can’t find it on you tube:

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=6093915&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

  57. Zee said

    Pat, what a wonderful post. It reminds me so much of my girlhood, when a peer of ours was forced by her parents to forgo companionship so that she might keep company with her special needs sister.

    We all might have been oblivious of this, given the era, except that a super-popular girl was her neighbor and informed us all of the situation.

  58. Zee said

    janicen, I hope it’s a vintage porsche she wants? There is no point in even looking at the modern hideous porsches and jaguars.

  59. helenk said

    PAT
    You always speak so beautifully and straight from the heart and brain.
    Thank you.

    People who have been treated like second class citizens and looked down upon when they were young do understand why it is important for all people to be treated as equals

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  60. Pat Johnson said

    Billy Joel has just expressed what “real marriage” is all about in announcing he is divorcing his third wife!! Apparently that means that being a “frequent flyer” in the marriage game gains you points. Whatever. Another one just bit the dust!

  61. Pat Johnson said

    helen, Zee: Sometimes when you have been relegated to the outside and can merely look in, you come away with a better understanding of how it feels.

  62. la-t-da said

    Pat, lovely, thoughtful, empathetic. I am really starting to think that you should be in charge of the agenda. (I will not do your laundry though.)

    “The percentage of gays falls far from the 51% of women.”

    Though we have all seen the 51%, but in the context of your post, that really stood out to me. Is it 1% lesbians, 2% lesbians, that help create that 51% and push us over that hump? To me that is further cause why the gay and feminist community should join together.

  63. la-t-da said

    Damn it, a gaybot showed up at the Advocate today. We were really on a role.

  64. helenk said

    Pat
    been there done that. As a grown up there are times when the feelings of being a foster child in the 1950s come back and still hurt.
    It does effect how you see and do things that many people do not understand.
    I remember as a teenager being told that ‘ I was the scum of the earth because my family did not want me.” To this day that memory still hurts.
    I grew up married ,raised 4 children, was successful at my career and still sometimes memories hurt.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS , BUBBAS, EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  65. Pat Johnson said

    La t da: I also believe that women and gays must stand firmly together. It is just that I think that gays have a much tougher row to hoe either way. Equal rights should never be debated but accepted full strength. Hard to believe this is 2009 and a resolution on equality is still being discussed and studied as if this were a history test instead.

    helen: I remember your discussing that in previous posts and I could feel your pain. Being told that you are “different” has a lifelong impact, regardless of how much one overcomes. The undertones are always there.

  66. taggles said

    here is barbara boxer youtube:

  67. la-t-da said

    Pat, on a personal note, in response to your empathy, I will say that my whole life did change when I was kicked out of college for being gay. I was attending college on a academic scholarship. My family (single mother) had no money to send me to school. I had worked so hard to get that scholarship because I knew it was my only way to get to college.

    My life turned upside down in so many ways. When I am look back, I really don’t know if I would have become the person I have become, a fierce advocate for social justice, if that would not have happened. Does that make the pain worth it. In some weird way, it was choosing to develop empathy rather than resentment, in the face of that pain that made me the person I am.

  68. la-t-da said

    I would support Boxer if she ran for President. I have felt that way for many years.

  69. Pat Johnson said

    la t da: Plus you are blessed with fantastic talent that somehow would have found an outlet as well. Resilience is something in all of us; just depends on how we wish to allow it to flourish. Life lessons are the hardest to learn, the most difficult to adopt, and the easiest to throw aside. It depends on the individual.

  70. helenk said

    I hope this works. it was sent to me in an e-mail

    What_s_a_Trillion.pps

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  71. helenk said

    try this one

    http://www.zee.me/blog/2009/03/what-does-one-trillion-dollars-look-like/

    just thought the sight of just how much money backtrack is giving away would make people understand the damage he does.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  72. angiencpets said

    Pat that was a lovely post. But, I think you are wrong on one thing: a woman, no matter how hard she works, will always be a woman. If Hillary Clinton, with all her accomplishments, brains, hard work can be dismissed as a “c*nt” that should be proof that no woman can ever “reinvent” herself as you call it. The crap gays & women have to take just because of how they were born (not the circumstances into which they were born) may be different, but it comes from the same pile of manure — the patriarchy. When a gay doctor leaves the room, he’s called a “f@g” and when a female doctor leaves the room she’s called a “c*nt.” Yes, the attacks are different but they are based in the patriarchial mindset/stereotypes about sex. Women are “inferior” because of her actual genitalia & gays because they do not “conform” to how men & women are “supposed” to act. I see the discrimination against gays & women being extremely closely related.

  73. Pat Johnson said

    angie: Believe me, I was not attempting to dismiss the gender issue by any means. Just trying to illustrate that no matter what, the gays will still have a harder time of gaining equality just because they are gay. Women are equally secondary but I think they will definitely be able to overcome faster than gays, IMHO. Gays have the obstacle of having to deal with the religious aspect more so than women. For that alone they will face bigger hurdles. But again, this is just my own take on it.

  74. SHV said

    be proof that no woman can ever “reinvent” herself as you call it.
    **********
    Angie, in support of your thesis, access to Obama is now limited to “towel snapping, frat boy jocks”

    “The jocks in the White House”

    “If you haven’t yet read ESPN’s Wright Thompson’s piece on the sociology of the White House basketball games, the screening games, the Washingtonians angling to play with Obama, it’s really a must-read — the defining story on Obama’s Washington.”

    snip

    “One thing you can’t help taking away from a piece on the key to access in Obama’s White House: There are almost no women in the story, and just one on the court.”

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0609/The_jocks_in_the_White_House.html?showall

  75. SHV said

    The ESPN story:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=090618/dchoops

    “There are almost no women in the story, and just one on the court.”

    But, I bet there are many “fragile male ego” jokes about women. Obama is a sociopath.

  76. angiencpets said

    Pat J — oh, I see your point now — I missed that — it will be interesting to see how it works out — women have the #s but gays are more organized (and more “on the same page”) with what they want (marriage, etc). Who is truly on the bottom rung? Women or gays? It’s a close call, but you could very well be right.

  77. angiencpets said

    SHV — why does this not surprise me?

    “There are almost no women in the story, and just one on the court.”

    I don’t want to even read the story, but I guess I have to, so I’ll wait til I go home so I can have a drink while I read it.

  78. la-t-da said

    Didn’t take long for the gaybot’s to try to take over the thread at the advocate, gary. Freaking Republican! LOL

  79. angiencpets said

    OT — btw, anyone seen this story re: the DOJ’s corruption unit “in disarray”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/17/AR2009061703721.html?wprss=rss_politics

    Is there no end to Obama’s incompetence? (And yes, Obots, it is directly related to his incompetence in picking his staff/department heads, etc — that’s how “leadership” works).

  80. SHV said

    Didn’t take long for the gaybot’s to try to take over the thread at the advocate, gary. Freaking Republican! LOL
    ********
    Then I won’t go back until you say the “coast” is clear. I have a severe case of bot phobia.

  81. SHV said

    OT — btw, anyone seen this story re: the DOJ’s corruption unit “in disarray”
    *********
    Goes along with obstructing and purging of IGs.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-tc-nw-inspectors-0617-0618jun18,0,5718990.story

  82. angiencpets said

    SHV — LMAO! bot phobia! I’m a bigot!! I hate bots for no other reason expect the fact that they are bots!!

    I also hate stupidity, so I think there is an overlap.

  83. la-t-da said

    Oh, come on, SHV, you can follow my last one:

    “I don’t know about you, Sam, but I always get a warm and fuzzy when I hear people get called a Republican or an embarrassment to our community. Is drag going to be permitted at the march in Oct or will that be too embarrassing to the Brownshirts?”

    http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid91642.asp#Receip
    ————————

    I’m done for the day. Gotta go buy a pie crust to make my honey an apple pie with our homegrown apples.

  84. DYB said

    Thank you Pat for that post!!!

    gary> That’s not the first time Boxer has had to correct someone! I remember during Hillary’s confirmation hearing after Boxer was done speaking some loser came up to speak after her. And he referred to Boxer right off the bat as the “gentlelady from California.” You then heard a voice call something out off mic. And the guy corrected himself: “Senator from California.” It was an amazing moment.

  85. DYB said

    An AP story about growing anger in the gay community at Obama and the Congress:

    http://tinyurl.com/mjjydw

  86. Fredster said

    I am not a mean person, a vindictive person, or even a person who needs to be right all the time. But this is just too good to not watch!

    I haven’t read all the comments yet, some stuff going on here.

    Gary it’s schadenfreude. And it is perfectly acceptable to enjoy this.

  87. garychapelhill said

    latda, I wonder why I always get met with the most name calling at the advocate? and I wonder why it is that as soon as the obots show up my ability to comment is disabled. Coincidence? I don’t think so. they let me slip a comment in and then 5 bots come in talking about how “childish” and impatient we are. I tried to leave a comment about how despicable it is that they are trying to make us feel ashamed about being angry. Shame is what the christians and right wing have always used to try to silence us. calling us perverted and metntally ill. Now these supposed gays are doing the same thing to those of us who are justifiably angry. They are disgusting.

  88. Fredster said

    Tried playing this, copied from Lib Rapture and it seems to be hanging. Whatever…

  89. fuzzybeargville said

    hey all maybe Hillary broke her arm so she would not have to show up The Pampers on the court like she did on the Bowling Alley!

    Oh and Edwards is such a tool I want to spit purple!

  90. garychapelhill said

    the new developing obot/gaybot meme is that Aravosis is a lying scumbag who is misinterpreting the DOJ brief. They are saying that what seems so hateful is just complicated legalese that us peons can’t understand. They say Aravosis is having a temper tantrum and an is embarassment to the gay community (can anyone say withchunt?). They are trying to shame the masses into submission. Unfortunately the gay advocacy groups are more than happy to push this meme to minimize the anger in the gay community. They are cowards of course because they fear that if we stand up to the democrats they will abandon us, as if that would make any difference. They have such a battered spouse mentality that they don’t understand that they need us, not the other way around. These tactics are not new to us, of course, but I fear a lot of disgruntled gays may buy it. As much as I hate John Aravosis, I feel like we need to rally behind him and those like him who are holding these assholes to task. They are working overtime to smooth things over before next weeks fundraiser. See those rich people aren’t so much pissed off at dems as they are afraid of backlash from the gay community at large. If the media lapdogs like the advocate can quiet the anger, then they will have cover to continue wining and dining with the washington elite. We can’t let that happen.

  91. taggles said

    Gary, YES, YES and YES! We have to be able to take a stand with those who are speaking the truth! No matter what kind of assholes they were or are!

    I’m 100% on board.

  92. fuzzybeargville said

    ok went to advocate posted the following….I hope it wasnt angry sounding:

    Santa Evita-Obama has been the biggest disappointment since Jimmy Carter, hell he is going to go down in history as either Carter 2.0 or Bush 3.0. I am glad I supported HRC in the primaries.

    I sure as heck didn’t vote for this tool in the white house now. Barney it’s time for you and Obama to go. We want real Democrats in Washington DC. At least Barney admits you and Pampers Obama don’t care one lick for the LGBT community.

    Congressman I am ashamed of you that brief called us all the old names in the book. It was base and homophobic. Next time you want to help out the LGBT Community-Don’t.

    It’s time to call out the Democratic Party and its time to call out the president. I suggest every member of the LGBT Community stay home on Nov 6th 2010 if we don’t get the following:

    1. Repeal of DADT

    2. Repeal of DOMA

    3. Passage of ENDA

    4. Passage of the hate crimes bill

    If 10 million gays stay home on the next Election Day….along with every one of our supporters…..well let’s just say after this the Democratic Party needs us more than we need them!

  93. la-t-da said

    That’s interesting, gary. Those are the same talking points that showed up at the Advocate today. They probably did a cut and paste on all the gay blogs. Now that would be a story: Prove that they cut and paste the same comments. That should prove to some that they are paid talking heads.

  94. angiencpets said

    well gary, Aravosis is a lying scumbag, but he isn’t misinterpreting the brief. I can’t believe that the gay community will buy that Obot spin.

  95. angiencpets said

    Of course the Obots are out in full force cutting & pasting the latest talking points. Its a repeat of the primaries & GE. Here is what they should be cutting & pasting back:

    A summary of Obama’s real stance on gays:

    1. He’s against same-sex marriage;
    2. Defends DOMA in court while calling for it’s repeal (which he could effectively achieve on his own by refusing to defend it in court);
    3. Is iffy DADT saying that the “government needs the best possible talent at its disposal” while he is busy expelling military translators for no other reason except that they are gay; and
    4. Isn’t “prepared” to grant health, retirement, or survivor’s benefits to gay couples who work for the feds;

    But, all that aside, he is a “fierce defender” of gay rights.

  96. la-t-da said

    Which blogs are you pasting that on, Angie? I am with Gary also. We need to start supporting the bloggers and the posters that are starting to speak out. If they do not get supported they will be drown out. We know how that works.

  97. angiencpets said

    fuzzy — love your comment!

  98. taggles said

    Don’t forget McClurkin, Newsome, Meeks, Warren etc…..

  99. angiencpets said

    I’ve written in on Salon.com & here (so far)! LOL I guess I need to get busier!!

  100. fuzzybeargville said

    next we will here that gay elite will be having tea with Obama….just like the scorpioni Lady Hester Randon did with Mousilini….

  101. Fredster said

    the new developing obot/gaybot meme is that Aravosis is a lying scumbag who is misinterpreting the DOJ brief. They are saying that what seems so hateful is just complicated legalese that us peons can’t understand. They say Aravosis is having a temper tantrum and an is embarassment to the gay community

    Do you have any links or is this just in comments somewhere, and if so where?

    I am not of the persuasion to forgive him, much less back him in much of anything.

  102. fuzzybeargville said

    hey angie how was the visit from your parents?

  103. angiencpets said

    good point taggles, revised summary of Obama’s stance on gays:

    1. He’s against same-sex marriage;
    2. Defends DOMA in court while calling for it’s repeal (which he could effectively achieve on his own by refusing to defend it in court);
    3. Is iffy DADT saying that the “government needs the best possible talent at its disposal” while he is busy expelling military translators for no other reason except that they are gay; and
    4. Isn’t “prepared” to grant health, retirement, or survivor’s benefits to gay couples who work for the feds;
    5. He hangs out with (and gets advice from) homophobes like McClurkin, Newsome, Meeks & Warren.

    But, all that aside, he is a “fierce defender” of gay rights.

  104. angiencpets said

    fuzzy — too short! :-( They are having fun in Greece though, and I’m stuck watching all the animals.

  105. taggles said

    It’s the same thing with the women who head up the feminist organizations. they are all bought and paid for with access to these bozo’s on Washington.

    Atleast lobbyists are getting paid to promote an idea or position for a group of people and they do it like a good defense lawyer. These jerk offs like Gandy and Solmonese in it for themselves. They are like judges who are getting paid off.

  106. Fredster said

    They are saying that what seems so hateful is just complicated legalese that us peons can’t understand.

    Well isn’t that about what Barney Frank did in his before and after comments?

  107. taggles said

    hey angie, newsome is the gay mayor in CA who Obama would’t meet with publicly. Wasn’t that when he had to go get a hair cut or sumthin?

  108. fuzzybeargville said

    Taggles Newsome is straight but one of the biggest supporters of gay rights he started marrying same sex couples before it was legal…people love him he is the definition of a “fierce defender” of gay rights!

    It was his real tangible support of the gay community that led to Obama refusing to have a picture taken with him.

    Senator Boxer and Fienstien better watch or he will have their job!

  109. angiencpets said

    La-t-da — I just posted it on the advocate. It said it would take 5 minutes to show up. I’ll check back later to see if it does. hee hee!

  110. taggles said

    OMG, have you folks seen this?????? OMFG! They compared Obama to Robertson and Falwell. Emails and all there!

    Gay Dems complain DNC cut off funding, drop support for Biden event

    read it HERE

  111. angiencpets said

    Taggles — shit, I knew, I knew Newsome didn’t sound right!! ARRG!! Amended Summary of Obama’s stance on gays:

    A summary of Obama’s real position on the LBGT community (based on his actions, not his words):

    1. He’s against same-sex marriage;
    2. Defends DOMA in court while calling for it’s repeal (which he could effectively achieve on his own by refusing to defend it in court);
    3. Is iffy DADT saying that the “government needs the best possible talent at its disposal” while he is busy expelling military translators for no other reason except that they are gay; and
    4. Isn’t “prepared” to grant health, retirement, or survivor’s benefits to gay couples who work for the feds;
    5. He hangs out with (and gets advice from) homophobes like McClurkin, Meeks & Warren but refuses to be seen with Newsome.

    But, all that aside, he is a “fierce defender” of gay rights.

  112. angiencpets said

    I corrected it on the advocate.

  113. angiencpets said

    Woot — just posted the corrected version on Politico too! Effing quotation marks got messed up on there though.

  114. SHV said

    next we will here that gay elite will be having tea with Obama….just like the scorpioni Lady Hester Randon did with Mousilini…
    **********
    Sort of goes with that picture of Gene McCarthy and Roy Cohn; nothing really changes, just the players.

  115. angiencpets said

    btw, one of the comments on politico blames it all on “log cabin republicans” That just shows how moronic Obots are, as if gay Republicans don’t want civil rights. Another moron actually stated that the gays are “so whiney.” {rolls eyes} Thank God I’m not an Obot. How those people can wake up in the morning, look in the mirror & not throw up on their feet amazes me.

  116. taggles said

    they are also saying that all gays supported Hillary! WTF, these people have no scruples. They forced any gay person who was for hillary over obama off of the blogs and hailed all the ones who supported Obama. Many many more supported obama, now the gays are just bitter knitters like us!

    Well atleast they will be in good, honest company!

  117. taggles said

    and them saying gays are in a tizzy and whining is all to familiar to anyone who was on the blogs last year. it is a coordinated effort by these bastards.

  118. angiencpets said

    taggles — I just read those comments too!! OMFG, the gays are really under the bus now — they’re being called Hillary supporters who are “throwing the kitchen sink” at Obama!! I also read a comment that “all gay men are Republicans, so why should Obama put them at the top of the list!” This is why I don’t go to “other” blogs!!

  119. taggles said

    those comments at politico are shameful. they are bigoted mean and hateful.

    It is really hard to read them. these bots are really pulling out all the stops now. just plain old bigotry now. minimizing the importance of gays to the Democratic Party.

    This is going to be a blood bath and Obama is to blame. he is the great divider.

  120. taggles said

    I hope the LGBT community will stand strong on principle.

  121. SHV said

    Sort of goes with that picture of Gene McCarthy and Roy Cohn
    *********
    Gene???WTF…Joe

  122. angiencpets said

    taggles — I just posted on politico that they were a bunch of bigoted, hateful, homophobes.

  123. taggles said

    anyone can post there without having to register. I posted as well!

    I think it’s important to speak up at these places, so if you have the time, please do.

  124. angiencpets said

    taggles — my comment finally went through on the advocate too!! I’m like a bot — driving by & doing my cut & paste!! I feel so dirty!!

  125. taggles said

    I’m gonna have a cut and paste ready too. Two can play their nasty game!

  126. la-t-da said

    “This is going to be a blood bath and Obama is to blame. he is the great divider.”

    Ever seen a drag queen fight, taggles! The other person walks out with no eyes and no hair. It ain’t pretty.

  127. taggles said

    I’m gonna put up an open thread so people can load the page. give me a couple and bring links and discussion up!

  128. la-t-da said

    Link all the places where everyone is besides the Advocate and Politico. Please. Game on!

  129. angiencpets said

    Hey taggles! Let me guess, you wrote this line:

    So sit there with 8 fingers on your keyboard and two thumbs up your ass, while he sells you down the river too.

    LMAO!!!

  130. angiencpets said

    ot — I just read Glenn Greenwald — he’s reporting that WaPo just fired Froomkin (a journalist who held Obama’s “feet to the fire” from the Left). Ror roh:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/18/froomkin/

  131. garychapelhill said

    hey guys, was writing my morning post on the Stonewall Dems letter. those comments at politico are awful, but that is what is going on. The aim is to shame gays into silence. Much like they did to other dems last year by calling them racist. they are disgusting.

  132. garychapelhill said

    angie I saw that too. Froomkin has been very critical. I guess he got too “real” for the obamamedia.

  133. garychapelhill said

    which article are you guys commenting on at the advocate?

  134. angiencpets said

    gary — I posted my comment at the advocate on the “we have a vision. we have a plan” story. But, I’m not going to keep posting on the advocate — although I totally support same-sex marriage, I’m not a member of the LBGT community & I feel like a fraud posting there (i.e., like I’m implying I’m a member of that community when I’m not).

  135. garychapelhill said

    more Hillary hatred from The Advocate, on Hillary breaking her arm,

    …or was she pushed? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton fell on her way to the White House on Wednesday and broke her elbow.

  136. angiencpets said

    OT — this is good for a chuckle:

    From Politico Ohio Senate candidate:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0609/Senator_Beefcake_.html

    “I just don’t like being filmed at 12 in the morning when I’m exhausted and trying to do something,” Fisher says in the video as soft elevator music plays in the background.

    Wonder what that “something” is? Yeah, not at all creepy. LMAO.

  137. Fredster said

    sorry I couldn’t get any links to the stuff that was being said so I could read it.

    Too much going on here. The momster had a fall during the night, came down on her left knee/leg. Knees swollen. She has a dr. appt. tomorrow, called doc’s office and they said first thing take her to imaging so they can have the x-rays to see. Hope to hell there is no fx anywhere; that’s all I need.

    Catch you all later.

  138. angiencpets said

    {{{Fredster}}}

  139. taggles said

    i have been off trying to find the funniest carol burnett video and I can’t choose. Some one tell me which one! LOL

  140. DYB said

    Next Oborg who says “Obama is smarter than we are” or “Obama has a plan you don’t understand” or anything comparable, the response should be: “Obama is smarter than YOU are! But then again, a tree stump is smarter than you are. Obama is NOT smarter than I am.”

  141. Boo Radly said

    I swear donkey Donna B. Posted on Politico under HE RAISED A LOT of money without you – she was raving about “look at the money” last year in her emails to me from her Blackberry. I did not read all comments yet but looks like they are fixing to officially state – he doesn’t need you – hateful fools!

    Hm, not all people who post as being gay are. These posters are the garden varity Obot full of HATE – that is one chacteristic that identifies them immediately.

  142. DYB said

    Wow, Froomkin’s firing is very interesting….

  143. DYB said

    If the gay community unites in anger against Obama – Obots will do its best to destroy – or at the very least marginalize – us. I’d hate to start defending Aravosis…but I think I might have to!

  144. angiencpets said

    DYB — I’m with you on that — I said my peace to Aravosis (see upthread) & he deserved to hear it. But if the Obots start attacking him (as gary said is starting to happen), then I’m going to have to defend him too. That just further demonstrates the difference between him & us, imo.

  145. helenk said

    Taggles
    I just ordered the dvd set of Carol Burnett for my 14 year old grand daughter.
    She thinks Carol Burnett is great. Carol does still appeal to all ages.

    OT
    Has anybody realized how long the commercials on tv are? I got this idea that I would walk in place during commercials to help my wind power as I have emphysema. Damn those things take forever. By the end of two shows my legs are killing me.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  146. taggles said

    open thread up.

  147. Three Wickets said

    Did I see today that Baucus has taken the public option off the table. That’s got to be a relief for providers and insurers. Phew.

  148. [...] of thinking of your re-election chances which are dimming by the minute? Health care reform DOA. Party. Unity. My. Ass. Great comments as [...]

  149. Fredster said

    Did I see today that Baucus has taken the public option off the table. That’s got to be a relief for providers and insurers. Phew.

    There was an article on yahoo news (from AP?) basically saying they are retreating right and left on all of it to get the Repubs to go along.

    Key Senate Democrats, bidding for bipartisan support on health care, pared back subsidies designed to make insurance more affordable on Thursday and floated a compromise that rules out direct government competition against private insurers.

    and

    At the same time, the new outline could require higher out of pocket costs from individuals because companies would be permitted to offer policies that cover less of an insured’s anticipated medical costs than was earlier proposed.

    I mean…if they are going to reduce the subsidies or whatever to purchase health insurance and THEN require higher out of pocket expenses, uh, what the fuck is it worth? They could just give us uninsureds a little kit that lets us make up those poster-things you see wrapped around a tin can to solicit contributions when someone is sick and needs help. You know….the ones you see in your local grocery store or something? They are supposed to be working on something that will **help** those who need health insurance. They aren’t doing shit.

    Ah well, full article here:

    http://tinyurl.com/lqkokr

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