Sarah Palin Supporters did NOT swing the NOW election….
Posted by taggles on June 23, 2009
Hillary Clinton supporters who were fed up and ticked off at NOW for not defending Sarah Palin against the sexist attacks, that had already knee capped Hillary’s presidential campaign, could be the ones that swung the NOW election. The meme that Sarah Palin (pro-lifers) swung the election is a re-writing of history. Many women were quite pissed off about NOW’s silence regarding the sexism perpetrated against Sarah Palin. Kim Gandy, as President of NOW, held the organization back from speaking out against the sexism and in fact, allowed members to use sexist attacks against Sarah Palin, when campaigning for a man who used sexist attacks himself. And the anger has been boiling ever since. What about the conscience rule? What about having to consult our pastors and fathers before an abortion procedure? What about FOCA? And the list goes on……….
Does this mean that people who defended Sarah Palin against sexist attacks are Republican, Pro-lifers. The answer to that is an emphatic NO. In fact, that is quite a jump. Defending a woman from sexist attacks is completely different than agreeing with her politically. Many women have come to realization that regardless of political ideology, women should defend women from sexist attacks. PERIOD! That doesn’t mean giving political support.
Where things get confusing is when you add in PUMA’s (Hillary supporters – Pro Choice Democrats) who decided they would make protest votes against Barack Obama. The reasoning for these protest votes are quite varied. For some PUMA’s the protest vote was against the DNC for their behavior on May 31st at the RBC meeting. For others it was a protest vote against Barack Obama for using and allowing sexist attacks on Hillary Clinton. And for some, Sarah Palin was just the next victim of sexism and people felt compelled to defend her with their votes.
But the meme from Lyles and Gandy supporters, that anyone who disagrees with them or their supporters is a RW lemming, is quite reminiscent of the type of smears that PUMA’s have been subjected to for well over a year now.
PUMA’s are not Right Wing Republicans. We are pro-choice left leaning liberals who hold fast to certain principles. Like no cheating, or bigotry of any form. I never supported Sarah Palin, I made a protest vote against the DNC and the sexism perpetrated against Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. Most PUMA’s I know made protest votes. That is not to say that there were not right wing Republicans who tried to find a home within PUMA and co opt it. I have been fighting that since last Summer, starting with Just Say No Deal. I removed myself from that organization the moment they decided to use John McCain resources to further what they felt was the PUMA cause. I had verbal altercations with the founders of Just Say No Deal and members who were co-opting it for John McCain. I and others, thank goodness, had a very different idea about what the PUMA cause was. We held fast to the value that every PUMA was to make their own decision regarding their protest votes and endorsed NO candidate. Also, I helped co-found this website to make it clear to anyone reading that we are left leaning, fed up, disenfranchised democrats without true political representation. We hope to have some representation one day!
Hope this sets the history straight for any Obama supporting lurkers out there who find it fashionable to re-write it. And just for the benefit of Obama supporting lurkers, know that I’m still pissed off about the RBC meeting and the DNC manipulation of an election and the sexism, along with millions of others.
Not to rub salt into the wound, Obama supporter lurkers, but how’s all the Obama worship working out for ya now?? Torture?? Wiretapping?? Healthcare?? Conscience Rule?? FOCA?? DATD?? DOMA?? Transparency?? When will you wake the hell up?? What will it take??
Pat Johnson said
I agree with you 100%! I was never a Palin supporter and my vote was one of protest with regard to all the arguments you have laid out for review. Perhaps the myth that we all became “PUMA/Palin” was more attributable to finding some form of common ground with her philosophy in order to find a measurable reason to support her. But IMHO, she was not ready to be president had the time arisen, nor is she now. But I am speaking only for myself and often find that my reasoning often clashes with those who think otherwise. She was no better prepared then was Obama and we were left with the same old meme of voting “the lesser of two evils” when it came to McCain/Obama.
NOW has been a distant voice on behalf of women for years. The slate that brought us Obama did a disservice to the movement and chose to ignore the warnings that were in abundance. Where Clinton had the bona fides that we all were looking for in a feminist, they chose to ignore her record, instead backing a man whose commitment was always in doubt. If the current slate of officeholders went down it was more that their “leadership” had basically forgotten what NOW had achieved throughout the years thus making the struggle for equality that much more divisive.
For the lurkers: I am not a supporter of Palin, never have been nor do I see that changing anytime soon. I will support her in the face of outright sexism and slanderous attacks made against her by the MSM and talking heads who represent the patriarchal system, but her policies do not entice me as a supporter.
Just a message that perhaps the next time around we value the candidate who has demonstrated a whole hearted effort for backing women’s rights and issues before jumping on the bandwagon of one who has the “celebrity” factor instead.
A close vote to be sure but one that signaled that change within that organization had to be changed to attract more members. Only time will tell if this succeeds.
Zee said
There is a real smear-fest of Terry O’Neil going on here, rife with The Meme, but even worse on the agism.
There is a “young multicultural” poster called no.wave who is making very divisive remarks under the guise of wanting “diversity.” She goes on and on about wanting faces she can “relate” to — and yet O’Neill’s team includes women who are young and of color!
There were also some posters who pointed out that the blaring headline focus on Lyles and O’Neill’s age and race was never backed up by substance and fact within the article/s. The Palin/prolife meme is bad enough, but the age and race baiting is getting worse, and it’s completely uncalled for.
I tried to post as a guest, but they’ve yet to send me the email link so I can do so.
Here’s the link if anyone want to smash the meme here:
http://jezebel.com/5298788/terry-oneill-voted-new-president-of-now
Zee said
Oh, whew. It posted the link!
I wasn’t sure if it would.
Yes, it’s odd, isn’t it, that all the posters dedicated to squealing about Palin have not a peep to say about FOCA, not to mention Obama’s appointing prolifers to head the DNC and his expanded Faith Based Office.
Pat Johnson said
These women are like those whose mates have kicked them in the teeth but who dutifully get up to serve them coffee. Idiots!!
DYB said
Zee, you’re right that the same forces screaming themselves hoarse about Palin and Lyles have been completely mute on FOCA, ERA, etc. etc. etc.
taggles said
As Gary pointed out, the paralell the LGBT is advocating for Obama, vs advocating for their members. The same is true for the Feminist leadership.
SHV said
NOW for not defending Sarah Palin against the sexist attacks, that had already knee capped Hillary’s presidential campaign
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The ‘08 election was an eye opener for me. I have followed Hillary’s career for almost 30 years and I expected vicious attacks from the fundie wing-nuts. The attacks from the “left” and especially from women were totally unexpected. The attacks by self appointed alpha females, Huffington, Dowd etc were especially vicious. WTF is going on? It would seem to me that there should be gender issues that transcend political philosophy.
SHV said
Here’s the link if anyone want to smash the meme here:
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I used to read Jezebel until the election season, the attacks on Hillary and then Palin were vicious.
garychapelhill said
awesome post taggles. I have found the focus on O’Neil’s age disturbing too. I believe she’s only in her mid 50’s isn’t she? And it seems like Lyles has the same lack of graciousness as her generation’s hero, Obama. She would rather let these smears go on without speaking up and graciously accepting defeat and vowing to work with O’Neill. If she has done so, then I haven’t seen it. If so, then I withdraw my criticism. Does anyone know if she has made a statement regarding these smears and disavowing them?
taggles said
If you go over to violets gary, you will see that she made a comment about “infiltrators” “enemies” while giving her “why you should elect me speech”.
Zee said
I just want to add that the info page on Lyles at NOW shows that she has a long history in her young life of working for women, and before she joined NOW she worked for OWL, an organization concerned with the lives of older women.
I am joining my local chapter of OWL, thanks to Lyles, and I do thank her. I hope she is not derailed by this rancorous election and she continues to be a liaison between the generations. I have seen groups derail activists before, for particular agendas, and I hope this will be a time for Lyles to continue her own deeply-rooted convictions and not be hijacked as a divisive symbol.
Pat Johnson said
This younger generation of “feminists” have been raised in a different cultural atmosphere altogether. They have been raised to believe that true feminists must bear their bodies for the world to salivate over, allowing themselves to be judged as “toys” in the world of men by shedding all of their dignity and modesty and claiming that they “control” the event while refusing to accept for a moment that they are being used.
Equality does not mean the same to them. When women insist that “porn” is art rather than an exploitive gesture perpetrated by the male hierarchy then you know the train has just derailed. I remember some months back a large thread that went on for hours discussing this very thing. Women portrayed as “victims” by the patriarchy without regard to the fact that it is these same women who hold the key in just saying “no”. Case in point: the latest Calvin Klein ad portraying a single woman involved in a threesome while two men take turns touching her in a bedroom setting. Provocative? Hell yes, but where was this woman’s thinking when she allowed herself to be portrayed this way and what message does this send?
Women’s identity will only be achieved when women take the lead in their own progress. If they believe that the only means of achievement is to be as “bad as the boys” then we have lost the battle. Dignity, respect, and a place of equality will not come about by wishing to make it so. Women must look deep within themselves and ask the question: how far am I willing to go?
Uppity Woman said
For anyone to even imply that Republican women or Sarah supporters changed the result of NOW’s election is ludicrous. How many conservative republicans do we know who even belong to NOW to begin with?
As a woman who remembers when NOW actually did its job, I can’t tell you how happy I am to see a Regressive like Gandy gone. When what is supposed to be the most powerful woman’s organization in the country starts cherry picking sexism, misogyny and other assorted filth with an eye on which political party it comes from, the organization becomes nothing. Hopefully, the new President will carry that message all the way.
Uppity Woman said
P.S. I bet 10 that Gandy goes to work for Obama.
taggles said
there is probably a chair already warmed for her, uppity!
taggles said
Pat, women cannot just say no to the patriarchy. it is a way of life. but I don’t want to get into all that again.
What you say has merit.
I believe what I say has merit as well.
Zee said
Gary, I don’t know if Lyles has yet spoken up regarding the agist smears, which are definitely increasing. But then, I would prefer for both Lyles and O’Neill to present a united front on this. I would like both of them to say, “see here! Lyles has worked on behalf of older women, and O’Neill has young women on her team, so you all just cut out all this talk about ‘moving on’—we will be moving forward with both old and young women.”
I think they’re still in the heat of the election, and emotions are still running high, but O’Neill needs to reach out, too, and it would be great if they could present a united front on this issue. Until then, we can only denounce the divisive smears ourselves….and point out that both women have ties to diverse communities of women.
helenk said
I do not care if it was the pope’s illegitimate daughter who helped change the leadership of NOW. If women will stop arguments and work together for
ERA – stop violence against women – equal pay – health care – childcare – education
and most of RESPECT for women that is all that is important.
Both sides had a wakeup call during this election, both sides finally understood that change had to happen. Maybe now we can really work together as women all working toward the same goal. For once lets not have ” divide and conquer” work against us.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
SHV said
Pat, women cannot just say no to the patriarchy. it is a way of life.
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We are all products of our evolutionary history but unlike our primate cousins, humans don’t have to be slaves to our genes.
Zee said
Pat….even worse than that, the entire generation, which has been poisoned with Calvin Klein ads and MTV reality shows, also thinks that Islamic women should be “free” to wear the veil.
But hey….we should quietly retire our old nagging ways…they’ve got this. They want to move forward without all the old baggage!
I wonder if any of them have watched Idiocracy?
Pat Johnson said
taggles: We agree that this is a “generational difference” in the approach to feminism and I am not for a minute challenging your argument as being without merit. I disagree with the notion that women are unable to say “no” to the patriarchy. She is not bound in chains by any means. My point is that in agreeing with that premise she is sending a message and that message is not often in her favor.
Holding two separate views on this issue is not meant to suggest anything more than a dialogue that perhaps can raise the awareness. The only way to shake off the shackles of “victimization” is by denying its right to exist. Refusing to participate is the easiest way of saying “no”.
Three Wickets said
The presser is on. He finally condemns the violence in Iran..
Three Wickets said
Very optimistic about healthcare reform??
helenk said
Just for once I would like to see something other than this happen on women’s issues.
http://www.maniacworld.com/Yacht-Launch-Fail.html
We had a real wakeup call this election. Use it wisely
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
angiencpets said
3W — so dear leader is finally denouncing the violence in Iran? Remember when he described the whole thing as “vigorous debate?” Guess things have changed.
taggles said
Pat, sometimes the there is no opportunity to say no.
The patriarchy is a way of life.
Imagine if prohibition was still enforced today. There would be many ways to get around it. You do not solve the problem by making the supply disappear, you end it by making the demand for it go away.
Three Wickets said
Same blah, blah on health reform, but will not take a hard non-negotiable stand on either universal or a public option.
Why is he having this presser. He has nothing new to say.
taggles said
is he in the Rose Garden, if so Gary queue up the video!
Three Wickets said
Jake Tapper asks him again. Is the existence of a public plan non negotiable? Obama says we need to control costs, try at universal, public plan makes sense, blah blah. But he does not answer the question. Looks like he’s using the public option as negotiating leverage with the private sector, but he is not going to require it. He’s not serious about building a public option.
garychapelhill said
this one?
Three Wickets said
It’s indoors. Apparently the Rose Garden was too humid.
He’s 95% cured for smoking but still falls off the wagon. Doesn’t smoke infront of the kids.
taggles said
That’s the one Gary! I can just see obama singing it to his disenchanted supporters!
angiencpets said
So the f*ck what if “Sarah Palin supporters/defenders” swung the NOW election? Maybe that will scare the third-wavers who think the patriarchy wrapped in a pink bow = feminism into their senses.
And when the f*ck did Sarah Palin become the wicked witch of the west that we all have to fall all over ourselves explaining how we “don’t agree with her, but she shouldn’t be called a slut/smeared/slurred” with such bogus crap re: rape kits & “abstinence only?” Has that what this world has become that we have to preface our defense of how much we don’t like the woman but still don’t call her a slut? F*ck that shit — I’m done apologizing for being a WOMAN FIRST.
And to paraphrase yttk over on Violet’s site: being a “bitter old white woman” isn’t a f*cking insult either. There’s not an organization in this country, not a single social movement that didn’t have “bitter old white women” carrying a big part of the load. Judging from all the fear bitter old women have inspired, they must hold some real power. Sounds like the key to social change is to rally up more of them.
garychapelhill said
3w, as a former smoker, I can tell you that is total hogwash. There’s no such thing as being 95% cured from smoking addiction. It’s like being a “little bit pregnant”. and even if he doesn’t smoke in front of the kids, they know he does. You can smell a smoker from 10 paces.
taggles said
Angie, my post is not about Sarah Palin, it’s about the truth and who we are.
I do not agree with Sarah Palin on much politically, sorry. But I will defend her to the my last breath against sexism.
garychapelhill said
angie, they made the same arguments in the primaries–that Clinton’s supporters were all racist hillbillies. But as you say, why the hell does it matter who voted for her? What matters is she won. Isn’t that how the democratic process works? Ooops I forgot Obama threw the notion of true elected representation on the trash heap last may. They can all kiss my fat ass.
angiencpets said
3W — as a former smoker myself I can tell you that if he is coping to smoking at all he’s smoking at least a pack a day. Cigs. are like potato chips — you can’t have just one, because one feeds the nicotine monster (that’s how I think of it) & makes the urge to have the next one that much stronger. The only way to quit is to just do it, starve the nicotine monster & eventually the cravings decrease & then stop (and oh yeah, it doesn’t take 2 f*cking years for the cravings to stop completely, more like 2 months).
garychapelhill said
angie, or you can take the chantix shortcut like I did. It totally disconnects the “nicotine monster” from the rest of the brain. It’s weird, you almost instantly “forget” that you need to smoke. It makes you have weird ass dreams though. I smoked for 20 years, took chantix for 2 weeks (I quit after 4 days on it) and haven’t had a cigarette (or even wanted one) in almost two years. I wonder why he hasn’t tried it.
angiencpets said
taggles — I think you missed my point. I don’t agree with Palin on much politically either & I will defend her from sexist attacks too. But I think it is bullshit that when defending a woman from sexist attacks we have to preface the defense with “I don’t like her.” No! Her politics has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman & sexism is sexism. We need to take the “conservative woman” & “liberal woman” titles out of the equation & focus on the WOMAN part of it. Because these same sob’s who are attacking Palin did the same sexist shit to Hillary, so the bullshit meme about Palin “deserving it” because of her “politics” is just that — bullshit.
Three Wickets said
Admits he misjudged how high unemployment would go. But he wants to wait before another stimulus. (Course he basically spent 6X as much as the stimulus saving the frickin bankers.) It’s tough out there he says, but he admires how resilient Americans are being. He doesn’t want consumers to get themselves into another bubble. (How about the freeking banking bubble.)
Three Wickets said
He’s asked about the 20% estimated unemployment among AAs. Blah, blah, nothing to say.
garychapelhill said
didn’t he say unemployment would peak at 8% and start rebounding later this year? Well it’s over 11% here in NC, and I think they’re saying it will rise above 10% for the whole country, and that it will only go up from there. What happened to “save or create” 3 million jobs? As Cinie said, are we going to have to wait for it to get down to being only 3 million people working in this country before we can call bullshit?
Three Wickets said
He’s heartbroken by Neda’s story in Iran. Invokes MLK on the fight for justice.
That’s it for the useless presser.
SHV said
3W — as a former smoker myself I can tell you that if he is coping to smoking at all he’s smoking at least a pack a day.
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Exactly..if he is “fighting” the habit every day he is smoking 1 ppd+. I smoked for 40 years and quit ten years ago. I still have smoking dreams. He had ventilation put in a room off of the Oval Office, where he can chain smoke.
angiencpets said
BTW — I did not mean to imply in any way shape or form that pro-life Republicans infiltrated NOW & swung the election to O’Neill. That didn’t happen. I was just trying to point out how ridiculous the lies being spun by the Lyles supporters are, the premises of which are all that if you don’t agree with them, then you must be a Republican (and most likely a racist to boot). Hmm, where have we heard that before?
angiencpets said
SHV — I quite smoking 10 years ago too! But I didn’t smoke for 40 years before! LOL
I’ve had the smoke dreams too, but I don’t have the urge to smoke.
garychapelhill said
Ben Smith at the Politico proves that CDS is alive and well. I only read the first page, so maybe he starts singing her praises later in the article, but this set the tone for me
I hate these people.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24067.html#ixzz0JHAdNRTx&D
Three Wickets said
I believe his credibility is losing altitude even with the MSM. His words will not cover his non actions much longer.
taggles said
just saw this over at violet socks’
That wasn’t all – there also was the sideshow of the Hillary Clinton supporters who remain permanently (apparently) pissed off about her loss. The so-called “PUMAS” – Party Unity My Ass. Clinton seems to have gotten over it – why haven’t they. Some of these ladies are angry at NOW for not being supportive of Sarah Palin; apparently, the fact that she’s a woman is sufficient qualification. A few blame Kim Gandy for EVERYTHING they don’t like. I’d dismiss them as idiots except they are contributing to the anger within the women’s movement and the splintering of the women’s movement and they are very good at getting publicity.
http://femnation.blogspot.com/2009/06/planes-trains-attack-dog-feminism.html
The person who wrote this is VA chapter President a strong Latifa Lyles supporter.
ummm, it’s about fighting sexism everywhere, no matter if you like the woman or not, dummies.
Three Wickets said
Just want to clarify, when I said above 6X the stimulus money for banks, that includes funds from Treasury and all of the Fed’s facilities and agencies.
Zee said
3W the pressure is on, indeed…I had a feeling he held this press conference because his poll numbers are going down. And he mentioned them, too, to brush them off. Zero also pronounced “I am the President!” twice when questioned on Iran…they kept trying to get him to say something about what kind of consequences would there be for civil rights abuses and he kept saying we had to “wait and see.”
He also threw an AA woman under the bus for asking him if he would target the AA community for extra help since their unemployment figures are 20% —she tried to ask a follow up question and he cut her off, turned his back to her and moved on to the next question.
As one commentator said afterwards, he was cool and distant throughout, and saved what little passion and indignation he had to direct at reporters who asked impertinent questions.
swanspirit said
I knew the addict in chief was still smoking when I saw he was CHEWING HARD when he was in the middle east .. and you dont chew regular gum that hard … He might even be down to about a half a pack a day , maybe not ;
…but he just needs to quit . If you are still smoking you are not 95% “cured” .. you have not quit… he is kidding himself , ( yoohooo River in Egypt anyone??); he has a serious addiction. Speaking as a former nicotine addict who has not smoked since 1997, I can safely venture to say he is still using smoking to mood alter.
As for NOW and the election , I think the cumulative effect of all that the Gandy et al group did and did not do , during the election and since, really left so many true feminists , no matter what wave, disappointed , disenfranchised , deserted,and ESPECIALLY aggrieved by that horrendous magazine cover ; that the replacement was inevitable .
I wonder how that hopey changey thing is working for them NOW .
So perhaps it is not so surprising they are finger pointing and attempting to scapegoat one of the women they should have defended in the first place .
There needs to be no excuse given for any defense of any womans rights by anyone, least of all by the organisation founded to defend them . The failed to defend women, and they were replaced .
taggles said
why did he feel he had to proclaim he was the president. doesn’t everyone know that already??
helenk said
This post might interest the people here that are concerned about women’s issues.
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/
As jobs are lost violence against women rises.
Health care for abused women ?
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
helenk said
Here is another sign of the times
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/23/BUN418BJU3.DTL
Get used to it other state will follow.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
jules said
So Obama is still chain-smoking and we still haven’t seen his medical records? He could have a host of problems, in addition to what swanspirit noted about using nicotine to mood-alter.
Helen: My husband and I are flying out to LA in 2 days to check things out. I am nervous as hell about this probable move, but when I look at the map of California and see Hemet, I smile!
Zee said
taggles…oh, really? Those finger-pointers over at femnation need to peek in at Jezebel if they want to see hateful, divisive agists and race-baiters.
The leadership needs to step forward and end the squabbling. Or at least invite it to end.
Personally, I think NOW is going to move forward and be more inclusive…that remains to be seen, but I think so, because O’Neill’s diverse team had women of color and young women in it but did not have a specific youth or culture agenda —they set out to win by appealing to the issues, by stressing things such as street actions. They did not run on an agenda of favoring “older women” either, let alone the horrific idea of passing the torch because middle-aged women had their turn and should now be sent out to pasture.
The brats over at Jezebel who are doing the smearing make it certain that there is a faction which wants to dump older women in the trashbin. There are also good women there who ask what’s up with all this race and age baiting. This proves to me that the ones who want substance will continue on with NOW, while those whose criteria was stated as “age and cultural background” can come along or not.
I would hope that both O’Neil and Lyles draw on Lyles’ past experience with OWL in order to find more common ground between the generations. As an activist who has done a lot of street actions, I’ve observed that those who are most free and most suited for direct action on the street tend to be older women and younger men. I’ve mused on why this should be…part of it has to do with who has more radical ideas at which point in their lives, and part of it has to do with who has more commitments that tie them up during different parts of their lives.
But one protest in DC stands out for me over all the others. NOW’s march on Washington a few years back. 1.1 million strong. And nary a word of it..not in the media, not in the blogosphere. It’s passed into history without becoming history, like the “Million Man March.” There were women from all walks there! Young, old, in between, with kids alongside. It was an exhilarating celebration and affirmation…stifled by studied indifference. From the left as well as the establishment. I had antiwar protesters, when I told them of it, sniff, “NOW? They’re just Democrats.”
As if the “revolution” is gonna happen without the women.
We need NOW to be strong. Because obviously, O’Neill has to convene 2 million women on the mall if one million is so dismissable.
taggles said
The ageism is unbelievable. It is atrocious. Kim Gandy is 55, bout time that old hags time was up.
Zee said
Jules…I love LA! Even if I am triple the size of all the women there! Oh wait…size 0 is the new size 4, nevermind.
Anyway, I will be happy to offer you all my house in New England and I will move to LA instead!
helenk said
Jules
Welcome to California. If I can help you in any way please let me know.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Mawm said
Gary, I don’t have time to track this down, but I ran across this post about HRC(Joe Solmonsleeze) lobbying congress to table DADT legislation
http://ow.ly/fFfH
Zee said
Oh, by the way, the baiters over at Jezebel were also trying to say that now lgbt community will suffer because the “youth” would be more likely to include them than the old white hags who made this power grab…gee, I wish I knew how to make the rolling eyes face-icon!
They still have not sent me a link to post my comment…hmmm…think I’m being censored?
Here was the comment I sent:
I agree with the posters here who are questioning the gratuitous inclusion of race and age. It’s divisive and without substance. Lyles has worked with OWL, an organization dedicated to older women, and O’Neill has women of color, both as supporters and on her team.
It’s repulsive to see the race-baiting and agism, and especially the smear campaign regarding choice. O’Neill is pro-choice, she has a great team, and she is oriented toward street actions. This engineered election rancor is every bit as damaging to Lyles as it’s meant to be towards O’Neill, but I’m going to wish both well. If O’Neill and her team don’t produce a great renewal of NOW’s focus, I will be surprised. And in honor of Lyles work with older women, and in defiance of those who want to exploit the generational gap, I’m joining my local chapter of OWL, also.
Fredster said
Oral fixation
Mawm said
He hasn’t tried Chantix, because he really doesn’t want to quit. They just made up the BS story of him quitting, because they were afraid of his image, especially with the young people. The youngins are real non-smoker fascists.
taggles said
zee just type this is to get the rolling eyes, don’t use spaces..
: roll :
taggles said
Sound like Obatia over at jezebel’s, zee!
angiencpets said
Zee — “I’m President” akin to “I’m the decider” is it not?
jules said
Helen: Thank you.
Zee: Where in New England are you? I am currently in Rhode Island. Very interesting comments re: NOW, O’Neill, and Lyles. It’s a typical Obama-supporter tactic to use age as a wedge. When will these people grow up?
taggles said
That’s the problem jules, they don’t think they will ever grow up and get middle aged or old. they know it all. disrepectful ageist bigots.
DYB said
The answer to age-baiting is: “I wish you a very long life.”
Three Wickets said
Huffpoo is launching local New York edition today to go with its local Chicago edition. Arianna is chipping away at local print news one city at a time. The Terminator.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/new-york-new-york-its-a-h_b_219022.html
angiencpets said
taggles — that moron over at FemNation or whatever deleted your two posts!!! She doesn’t want the truth interfering with her lies.
Seriously, I wouldn’t give idiots like her any hits — what’s she get? 10 hits a month?
taggles said
I am hoping they hang down to their knees. that should be the punishment for anyone who discriminates or disrespects people older than them.
taggles said
did you like my replies though?? do you think she came over and gave us the once over?
helenk said
Age is life with all the mistakes made and lessons learned hopefully.
I knew everything at 18 but learned so much by the time I was 70.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
jules said
Taggles: One day their boobs will be hanging down to their waists and then they’ll realize no one can avoid aging!
angiencpets said
taggles — never mind! They are back — maybe it was a fluke on my computer.
Yes, very good comments!
taggles said
how did you know it was me????? LOL
Fredster said
HEY!! Can’t you guys cover the important shit?
helenk said
PS
I should of added and still learning something new every day.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
taggles said
jules, i replied to you, but my reply went above yours! something hinky going on!!
taggles said
I guess Obama staged a question for Nico Pitney at HuffPo.
I wouldn’t be suprised if he starts taking questions from his teleprompter pretty soon.
taggles said
Ah yes, ummm, TOTUS, where are you, oh,ummm, there you are TOTUS, ah ah TOTUS do you have a ah ah um um question for the POTUS?
taggles said
Angie, your comment was gold!
angiencpets said
taggles — LOL — glad you liked it!
OT — politico reports that (surprise! surprise!) WH & HuffPo coordinated the “question from an Irani” at the presser today. As some one at politico said: I’m glad someone can see through all this transparency.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0609/Obama_calls_on_HuffPost_for_Iran_question.html
Three Wickets said
The Obama for America campaign is one of the favorites at the Cannes International Advertising Festival in France, sort of the Oscars for marketing. Wonder if Barry and/or Totus will fly to the Riviera to accept the award if he wins. Maybe he’ll video conference it in. I’d like to thank my blah, blah, blah..
DYB said
I read the first few comments at HuffPoop and everyone is pissed off at this. “I’m glad someone can see through all this transparency” is brilliant!
Three Wickets said
He’ll probably remember to thank Tweety but forget Michelle. Then he’ll break down in tears thanking Axelface.
angiencpets said
3W — video conference with all that fawning press around? not bloody likely! He will be there in his tuxedo jacket and WHITE tie with that stupid shit eating grin & jug ears & everyone will pretend that a swizzle stick in a tuxedo jacket and WHITE tie with dumbo ears is “elegant” and “hip” and “cool” (and therefore, “smart” and “capable”).
Three Wickets said
Yeah Angie. All the major global sponsors and media will be there. He’ll want to stroke their..um, egos and ratings expectations.
Three Wickets said
In all seriousness, Al Gore was there two years ago pitching his Global Warming campaign. Rupert Murdoch was there last year pitching his plan to take over the world. So it’s got to be the year of the Obambi this June.
Three Wickets said
He’s up against BMW and Burger King in the creative competition. So you never know.
angiencpets said
btw — re: Health Care Reform — this is disgusting & like I suspected with Obama, any “reform” is nothing short of a pig in a poke.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/opinion/23brooks.html?_r=3&ref=opinion
helenk said
Is anyone else having a problem trying to get the current Daily Puma blog?
It still reads as Saturday June 20. This happened last week also.
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PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Three Wickets said
Not sure helen. The newslinks there seem to be current.
taggles said
new post up.
Zee said
“I’m President” akin to “I’m the decider” is it not? = perzactly, angie! You nailed it!
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Jules, I’m just outside Boston…and now have to go catch my doxie to take him out in the rain. If I could just invent some kind of hamster ball for him that would still allow him the ability to pee on the bushes…
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As far as the aging goes, you mark my words—-oh, nevermind, we’ll all be dead by then—well, the whippersnapper lurkers can mark my words—-plastic surgery is going to be as commonplace as braces and capped teeth are now. We’ll be the last generation with sags and bags.
But they’ll still get theirs, only the jokes will be about the “stretched and stitched” hags instead 0f the saggy, baggy hags.
Or, maybe agism will be out of fashion by then?
Valhalla said
You know, I know there are younger feminists out there who do not act like these spoiled online bratz. I’ve met them. I don’t know if they are NOW members.
But despite that, I’m beginning to think the best path for now and feminism is to skip the Third Wave entirely and go straight for the Fourth Wave. A big problem is that most Third Wavers don’t have empathy, are part of one of the most narcissistic generations in decades, feel no sense of responsibility, and somehow never learned that performance counts. And have a curious lack of basic logic skills. Maybe it is because they grew up during a falsely inflated economy — older feminists remember what the economic crises of the 70s and 80s were like. But the next generation after them will certainly have that experience.
It’s not that I think NOW (and all feminists, really) don’t need to include younger women in feminism, of course they/we do, it’s just that I’m beginning to think that the glam, “f*ck-me” feminists are a lost cause.
I’m putting that much more harshly than I mean to. But in a time when resources are short and getting shorter, how much time and effort should be wasted on trying to persuade women (of whatever age) who think that ageism, classism, and sexism (as long as it’s aimed at her and not me) is not only ok, but something to be promoted?
The really sad thing about the more vocal sore-losers is that not one of them has discussed a single issue. Just photo-op opportunities. Not one has said “Lyles is much better on single payer than O’Neill” (just an example, I don’t know what Lyles position is).
There have to be millions of women out there (including young women) who are interested in politics and equality, but due to the sad performance of NOW under Gandy, have no idea what NOW’s potential to effect real change is. Let’s reach out to them. Let’s not worry about the fauxfeminist 3rd wavers who can’t distinguish between style and substance.
helenk said
Vahalla
If women do not come together to work on many issues now it will not happen.
Two women from different sides of the political spectrum ran for office and were treated worse than any criminal ever.
NOW was a total waste during this election cycle. There is a chance to make it relevant again and still women are fighting over stupid things. Sometimes I think we are our own worse enemy. How long are we going to be stupid and keep ourselves from getting respect and ERA and equal pay and health care and child care and a better educational system.
Working together we can accomplish miracles. Being stupid and infighting we accomplish nothing. Every woman does not have to agree with me on abortion. I only need her to agree on basic issues of the betterment of women.
This economy will have a horrible effect on women. Already violence against women is increasing. If we accept the disrespect shown to women no one will have no reason to change it.
Young women can learn from older women but older women can still learn from young women.
Sometimes I really feel like banging heads together to make women pay attention.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
edgeoforever said
Fantastic entry and commentary!
Indeed, the entire tone of the discussion at NOW is an explanation – for me- why they were AWOL last year when it was open season on women in politics.
Why Gandy woke up at the end of primaries when sexism became a public topic for a second (thanks to PUMA) and had the gall to say: “and we’ll continue to remain vigilant because now they may attack Michelle”
CONTINUE????
And that was right before declaring that Sarah Palin was a dude on the Colbert Report
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