Posted by: Pat Johnson on: July 31, 2009
Can someone please explain to me what the hell that question is supposed to imply? I have heard that posed so many times in so many different venues but I am still uncertain of the proper response. Intimidation, reverence, awestruck, what is the correct answer to this inanity? Just hearing those words sends a shaft up my spine as I seriously could care less about who you are, or who you think you are, when it comes filling in the blank. In a word: unimpressed.
Too much has been made of the “incident in Cambridge” that required the president to the U.S. to invite a couple of men over to the WH for a beer. From where I sit, race had very little to do with what happened. I will even go further to suggest that the arrest was stupid. It was a “throw down” attended by two alpha males who each in turn asked of the other “do you know who I am?” One represented the elite culture of academics, the other the full force of the law. Two creatures intent on showing the other how important they are in their own little worlds while the rest of us weigh in with different versions of stereotyping and grievances. Two weeks of nonstop coverage of an event that should have never escalated to the heights that it did while asking the Commander in Chief to weigh in as well. Nonsense.
I have seen enough of that same behavior exhibited on playgrounds and the workplace to remind me that there are people who regard themselves in the same light. It has nothing to do with race. It is a common phenomenon from those who see themselves as above the ordinary. The same group who wish to go to the head of the line and chafe at being put on hold. A group that in their own minds have risen from the average to the ranks of the above average often by their own admission. And if you are unable to recognize that fact they are only too happy to point it out for you! We have seen it with athletes, celebrities, politicians and yes, those whom we work with. Insufferable assholes who wish to be treated with deference simply because they can throw a ball, work a crowd, or sign your paycheck. They come in all sizes, shapes, age, gender, and ethnicity. They demand respect even if they have yet to actually earn it. They have outgrown “humble” and prefer “special” to be added to their ranking in life. And for those of us to blind to see it, they are only too willing to bring us to heel by asking that very question that has no immediate answer other than a bile inducing response.
Had the professor not been as quick to insist on homage, and the officer not as quick to issue an overwrought response, we would not be witnessing the president acting as a schoolyard referee with two alpha males demanding “respect” from the other. “Do you know who I am?” tells me immediately who you are and all I need to know from that point on.
It is sometimes just as wise to consider that the planet is made up of people who just cannot get over themselves. White, black, brown, yellow, male, female, white collar, blue collar, there are no boundaries. They live in their own world. We mere mortals only inhabit it.
Hallmark should consider producing a card that reads: “apologies for being a schmuck”. Guaranteed to make millions of dollars with this one.
I completely agree with you. This was a testosterone rodeo to the max.
Pat, very interesting take on the situation. I think you are onto something about both men being full of their self-importance.
Madamab, LOL at “the swinging dicks”!
OT: Sen. Dodd has announced that he has prostate cancer. Fortunately, if it not metatstatic, it has one of the better prognosis. Even more fortunately, he has great health coverage.
“Do you know who I am?”
“A health care insurance lobbyist.”
“Well then, let’s go talk.”
Gary, didn’t Biden vote for Roberts also?
Janice, I wholeheartedly agree with you. If any recent episode reflects the worst of discrimination, this was it. The children were flatly discriminated against, whether it was color, class or whatever, and they were buried by the Gates affair.
“Had the professor not been as quick to insist on homage, and the officer not as quick to issue an overwrought response, we would not be witnessing the president acting as a schoolyard referee “
I would agree completely, if you said ‘…to be witnessing a president acting like a schoolyard referee”
This president will use anything and everything he can for a photo-op, and I personally find his characterization of this as a “teaching moment” offensive and condescending.
If he wants a “teaching moment”, I’ll give him one. “When you admit you don’t know the facts, its best to stfu”
Gary, I sure don’t. All I remember is that Roberts had a much easier time with the Dems than did Alito. Of course, he wasn’t fighting his way through the “Concerned Alumni of Priceton” mess, either.
Gary, I think that Biden was ranking Dem, as the Repubs controlled con gress at the time. He was chair during the Clarence Thomas fiasco.
Anthony –
If he wants a “teaching moment”, I’ll give him one. “When you admit you don’t know the facts, its best to stfu”
LOL!
OT: Mad, did Arabella Trefoil ever go to nursing school? I have not seen her around in ages.
I don’t know, Chatblu. I haven’t seen her around either. I hope she is doing well!
Well, Chris Dodd knows that whatever procedure he needs to help heal his prostate cancer will be covered by his health insurance.
Why can’t the rest of America have that same knowledge?
Shame on you, Barack Obama!
Ditto on Cinie’s analogy.
The sexism was real and we know it was and no one can tell us otherwise based upon real life experiences of sexism.
Entitlement in white authority and male authority is really what is institutionalized, in my opinion, and that is what leads to racism and sexism and classism.
This is far as my brain is capable of going on this issue anymore.
Good piece, Pat, and welcome back.
La-t-da -
Entitlement in white authority and male authority is really what is institutionalized, in my opinion, and that is what leads to racism and sexism and classism.
Wow, am I feeling that. Perfect!
I’ll go one further:
“Entitlement in white authority and male authority authority is really what is institutionalized, and thats what leads to racism, sexism, and any kind of bias toward anyone who doesn’t conform to the guidelines set by said authority figures.
As the facts emerged, the charge of ‘racism’ seemed more and more obscured, and the obvious problem (large and ill-placed egos) became more and more apparent.
Personally, I resent being characterized as ‘racist’ simply because I’m unwilling to cut either party slack. If my earlier comments have been mis-read, then I’ll refresh them:
We, as a society, have bestowed the status of “authority” upon (among others) law enforcement officers. Fortunately or unfortunately, this gives them the authority to respond ,i>as they see fit when they determine that their authority is challenged. If we don’t like that (and I personally don’t), then we have to do something about it
Many seem to say that poor Prof. Gates deserves some slack because of his ‘struggle with racism in America’. Although I am sensitive to what he endured more than 40 years ago, I do have to point out that presently, things are quite different now. His immediate statement that the request for ID had racial overtones cannot be dismissed, as much as we may want to. Maybe I would buy into it a bit if this happened in the deep south, but has anyone been to Cambridge recently? To play the race card there is preposterous
Anthony – You’re really offending me. And I’m not even black.
Although I am sensitive to what he endured more than 40 years ago, I do have to point out that presently, things are quite different now. His immediate statement that the request for ID had racial overtones cannot be dismissed, as much as we may want to. Maybe I would buy into it a bit if this happened in the deep south, but has anyone been to Cambridge recently? To play the race card there is preposterous.
Tell that to the BOSTON POLICE OFFICER who called Gates a banana-eating jungle monkey. In print. Like, a day ago.
http://thewiddershins.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/racism/
If I were you, I’d stop now.
Kids say the darnedest things, MB. LOL
And to expound upon what I said, Anthony, that MB resonated with:
I was taught by black male professors like Gates who are trying to get us to understand that white authority is institutionalized and white female professors teaching the same things about institutionalized sexism.
Now that I reflect, I suppose the professors that were lecturing on classism were the ones that were trying to bring all the isms together. Perhaps, that is why, in this real time teachable moment for all of us, that what we all are really fighting, regardless of our race or gender and the combination of the two, is corporatism.
Perhaps fighting classism/corporatism is the great equalizer.
“Tell that to the BOSTON POLICE OFFICER who called Gates a banana-eating jungle monkey. In print. Like, a day ago.”
And I did do exactly that. The minute I found out about it, I voiced my opinion to him and his precinct in language a cretin like that could understand without ambiguity. But let us not forget that he was not part of the incident that happened in Cambridge. And let us also not forget that as many black people voice similar racist rants against whites.
Sorry if I offended you, Madama B, but if you read what I wrote carefully, it has to do with authority figures and the power we give them, whether they be black, white, male or female. No offense intended, and none taken.
Anthony – Thank you, but your assumption that Gates had not experienced racism for 40 years was also offensive. I just wonder how you think you would know that?
To me, it is like saying that since Roe v. Wade, no woman has experienced sexism. Do you understand why that would be upsetting to women or men who understand the prevalence of sexism?
I think we all know how horrible and destructive race-baiting can be. We all saw the effects of it, and many of us experienced it, during the primaries and have talked about it again and again. Heck, I was called a “racist brownshirt Nazi f*ck” by one caring ex-friend.
But what would lead you to believe that race-baiting was what Gates was doing? Again, how would you know? Maybe he sensed something in Crowley’s manner that a white person would not have sensed. Isn’t that at all possible?
I believe I read what you wrote quite carefully.
That is why I was offended.
Janicen – The Deputy Political Director of NBC wrote that! Tells you everything you want to know about NBC’s objectivity, doesn’t it?
Pat’s back!!! YAY!!!
Here honey; this is for you:
Welcome back Pat! Fredster – you really know how to sweet talk PJ.
“your assumption that Gates had not experienced racism for 40 years was also offensive”
Thats not what I said at all. I said that I am sympathetic to what he (and I and many others) experienced 40 years ago, and things are quite different today. I’m one of the white people that marched all over the South in the 1960′s (I was in my teens) and got my butt kicked by white people for doing it. I kept on going, and I would do it all again today. But to say that absolutely no progress has been made since then is disingenuous.
Today, I do a lot of advocacy work, and many of my clients live in Harlem. I had a woman I was trying to save from eviction who was threatened by some neighborhood youths for “letting that white guy into her business”. Is that not racism? I did not respond in kind. In short, I threatened to quit the program if they did not assign her a person of color to handle her case, just for her own safety. I also attended each and every one of her subsequent court appearances to offer her my personal support. In the end, she apologized for the “stupidness” (her word) of her neighbors. Again, racism exists on both sides, and can be equally ugly.
I wasn’t present when Crowley came to investigate the alleged b&e. But I DO know for sure that the first thing an officer asks anyone on the premises is to offer ID. This happened to me in my place upstate, when I left my keys in Manhattan and crawled through a window. The town hated “New York City Liberals”, and I can’t say that I wasn’t suspicious. But when I showed my ID, I got an apology, and was glad someone was keeping an eye on my home in my absence. Gates, on the other hand, said “Do you know who I am” and “Is this because I’m a black man?”, according to reports, including his own admission. Had he shown Crowley his ID, I’m sure things never would’ve gone where they did, and none of us would be discussing it.
Boo: FWIW, PJ get’s a kick out of that whenever someone put’s it up here.
I’ve been saving them up for her while she was gone.
You nailed it right on the cabeza Pat!
Two “Alpha Males pissing on the same tree.” Only one outcome could have resulted from this encounter!
Anthony, I did not say or imply that no progress had been made in 40 years. I am just saying that racism still exists today, in the Boston police department.
This is what you said.
Many seem to say that poor Prof. Gates deserves some slack because of his ’struggle with racism in America’. Although I am sensitive to what he endured more than 40 years ago, I do have to point out that presently, things are quite different now.
So, his ‘struggle with racism in America’ (in quotes!) was endured more than 40 years ago. It is in the past. Historical. And things are quite different now.
Do you see where I would have gotten the impression that you thought he had not endured racism for more than 40 years?
Enough. I think we’re going around in circles here. Let’s just shake hands and have a beer. Or a Scotch. Or a glass of wine.
Heck, let’s just drink!
The reason for inviting the Clintons? “I want to have fun,” said one participant. “Bill’s a party guy,” added another.
But when Hart asked whom they would invite if they found out that only Hillary would attend — and not Bill — not a single one said they’d want to vacation alone with the secretary of state.
I’d be honored to be with either one of them.
I would!
Whoo-weee! Uppity woman throws these out on her site every once in awhile, I think just to get things stirred up some. Without further adieu here’s a training film from the fifties:
Mad, pour me one. Scotch with a (very small) splash of sida. We all need it today, and no sense in POTUS having all the fun. And then please let me out of moderation on the previous thread.
Be warned, chatblu – I pour with a generous hand!
I shall let you out!
Fredster – I’m well aware of how much Pat loves your posting of that vid and have been a fan of your brand of humor for a while.
Anthony – I understand what you said and, now that you expanded with a brief history of your back ground, I realize why. We share activities and knowledge of the same era at the same age.
I also understand what HelenK said a few threads back. I know Helen is not a racist. You have to be familiar with the commentor and realize today is not like 40 years ago. You have to use the same standards for common sense, fairness for each incident and realize we have Boston cops who are racist and there is Rev. Wright. We have to realize how being a victim of all the “isms” that we are dealing with now – up front and center because of the most horrific campaign Evah, how they all dealt with being held down, hurt financially, socially, vilified in hateful ways. We can’t change what has happened in the past but circumstances are much better and different than it was. The majority of American citizens want peace and respect in their communities – for all citizens. I truly believe this. It’s not perfect, a work in progress.
When an “ism” is used too often and combined with hubris + todays quasi jouna”lism” – no one wins or advances. I’m for equal rights for all.
Anthony – I thank you for your steadfast hard work, dedication and balanced thinking. You’re doing the heavy lifting that makes all the difference.
I miss Arabella Trefoil too Chatblu.
Aaaahhhhh! Liberated! (Stretchingggggg). Let’s have a liberation libation, shall we?? Pour away.
Good lookin’ drink there.
Now are we getting 15 to 30 year aged single malt or a blend? I am a scotch snob. I can not afford 15 to 30 year aged, but I do fully intend on drinking yours if you are pouring.
And I have to admit that I like arugula too. I think I am ok though, because we grow our own.
There’s very little middle ground with Scotch whiskey. It’s really good stuff or it’s paint thinner equivalent.
The Balvenie is great stuff once you get past the first sip. It almost lunges.
Mad, have you tried Johnny Walker Blue? I haven’t but it runs about $20 per glass (for blended whiskey?) so it should kinda sorta be smooth.
Awww Pat. You know how I feel about ya: ♥ ♥ ♥
I have never been able to stand the taste of Scotch. Tom drank it all the time but I couldn’t stand even a sip.
One whiskey I found that I loved was Jameson Irish Whiskey. It was incredibly smooth. However my old standby was always Maker’s Mark and club soda.
“Heck, let’s just drink!”
You are so on…. and I’ll even share my Maker’s with you, but only if we can drink it on the WH lawn.
Cheers, MadamaB
Boo Radly-
Just saw your post. Thank you for taking the time to understand
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July 31, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I agree with almost everything you say, Pat. Those two men – and the President – needed to dial the egos way back.
I do think it’s a mistake to say that racism had nothing to do with it, however. That is something that was in the minds of the two men and simply is not knowable to us, IMHO.
As it has been pointed out, the woman who was excoriated for being a good citizen and calling 911 was left out of the confab entirely. Why should she have a place among the swinging dicks? Don’t we know who they are?
Same as it ever was.