Morning Widdershins: Well, Well, Well
Posted by: taggles on: August 22, 2009
Looks like the liberal base may be waking up after all! The Plumline reports this delicious news!
Major Factor In Obama’s WaPo Poll Slide: Drop Among Dems, Liberals
A major factor in President Obama’s slide in today’s big Washington Post/ABC News poll, which is preoccupying the political classes today, is his surprisingly sharp drops among Democrats and even liberals, according to crosstabs that were sent my way.
Much talk today has focused on Obama’s difficulties with independents. But the drop among Dems and liberals is also a key driving factor in the President’s skid, according to WaPo polling analyst Jennifer Agiesta, who graciously provided the additional data.
This suggests Obama’s conciliatory approach to the GOP, and his lack of clarity around the public option — both of which are presumably alienating Dems and liberals — could be key factors driving his dip.
Let’s see if Obama and the Democratic Congress take notice and stop taking their base for granted. Common sense would tell anyone with half a brain cell, that if he goes below 53%, Obama and his policies are failures among people who voted for him. Not because of RW fear mongering, but because his policies don’t go far enough! To early to tell, but maybe, just maybe there can be some pressure applied that will bring forth a good result with healthcare. Here’s to hoping….. (lol)!
63 Responses to "Morning Widdershins: Well, Well, Well"
August 22, 2009 at 9:20 AM
Hey, fuzzy. Glad you are back! Thank you for the good news on the solar energy/grid front.
August 22, 2009 at 9:29 AM
Words and promises only go so far…at some point they must be backed up with actions.
Say you’re a boss, and your employee says he will take over the weekly meetings, write the newsletter documentation, re-organize the coffee closet and save the company $450,000 in the first six months.
After six months, he’s missed every meeting, the newsletter documentation is written in crayon, the coffee closet suddenly has only tea in it, and he’s lost the company $500,000.
I would think you’d stop approving of that employee. In fact, you’d probably fire him.
No, this Presidency wasn’t “inherited,” Obama. And we are your bosses. If you don’t perform to expectations, We just may fire you and replace you with a better employee, one who actually does what she says she’s going to do.
August 22, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Great comment Fuzzy! Glad you’ve found a little free time. Sometimes work just takes all the time in a day.
I agree that what The Widdershins have been saying, about attacking this admin. from the left, is a much smarter idea than joining the right. I do believe this strategy may prove itself to work!
Now lets go push him more to the left from the left boys and girls, pronto!!!
August 22, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Hi fuzzy! I am so glad you’re back, and thanks for your email! Will reply soon!
The “Cash for Clunkers” is indeed working well. I heard it’s going to run out of money again, though. Let’s see: 1 billion lasts one week, 2 billion lasts two weeks…wouldn’t that mean it needs $52 billion to keep it going for the year? Just fund it all at once at this point! Save the money elsewhere by giving up in Afghanistan and Iraq. We lost and we didn’t find OBL. Time to try a new “national security” strategy, like Hillary’s: invest in women!
Also, I totally agree about solar panels and green technology. I wonder, how hard would it be to get the car companies to convert some of their factories to manufacturing light rail cars? I do think we can save money on new construction by using what we’ve already got and repurposing it to create environmentally friendly technology. For example, oil companies can start converting their processing plants to manufacturing photovoltaic cells.
August 22, 2009 at 9:41 AM
When the “left of the left” gets castigated by a Democratic White House for trying to hold the pretendident to its compromise position, you know something’s wrong. The “public option” is the least the “left of the left” is willing to settle for.
August 22, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Madamab-love the subliminal comment “….one who actually does what she says she’s going to do.”
Oh and you could add…”and will actually have a 4 year international portfolio of accomplishments to add to the mountians of others successes a 35 year career in public service has given her.”
I just hope you dont destroy the democratic brand as badly as your twin brother Geo Bushwacked did to the republican brand.
August 22, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Madamab/Taggles-how about putting a few of those PV manufacturing facilities in W VA? specifically the coal regions? good paying blue colar jobs so the children of miners will have something to look forward to besides a lifetime undrground in the mines and death by black lung disease?
August 22, 2009 at 9:50 AM
No public Option no reform…if the blue dog democrats kill public option then they need to be put in time out…ie removed from their plum committee appointments and put on the senate and house joint committee on the removal of dog poop committee…
Bluedog democrats are like republican PUMAs…an oxymoron, hell they are just morons!
August 22, 2009 at 9:55 AM
The “public option” is the least the “left of the left” is willing to settle for.
Hope!! Hoping the LW demands he gives them every left thing they voted him in for. The LW brung him to this dance, now he needs to cross off those RW’ers he has on his dance card.
August 22, 2009 at 10:04 AM
caroline so true we need to hold the left to the fire too. They created this “Monster” they need to tame him. He sould try to ditch the bipartisan thing.
Lets declare the Bipartisan “unity pony ” dead on arrival or more accurately “aborted in the first trimester” lets help the republicans learn what “being in the minority really means”-we dont need them we dont want them.
Why do we care about the rethuglicans? there are only 40 of them in the senate….you would think they would have the majority the way harry reid tiptoes around them?
August 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM
LOL Fuzzy! Didja catch that? 
I hope the Obamacratic Party is starting to recognize that they backed the wrong horse. He was great in the parade, but can’t run more than a few feet!
Cinie – the “left of the left” wants single-payer. But 77% of Americans want the public option. How is that the “left of the left”?! Obama is completely out of touch if he doesn’t get that.
At least Bush recognized his base and pandered to them at every turn. That is how he became a two-term President.
August 22, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Ya know, when the Republicans had the majority, they said “Bipartisanship is date rape.” That is how anathema they felt it was.
Why do Obamacrats suddenly feel it is the Holy Grail to somehow “agree” with Republicans? Could it be that the word is just a cover to hide the fact that there really is only one Party at this point?
Hmmmm….
August 22, 2009 at 10:09 AM
DOE Announces $37 Million for Small Business Research and Technology
Today’s funding announcement emphasizes the Department’s commitment to developing near-term, clean energy technologies while allowing small businesses take part in the new industrial revolution that the sustainable energy economy will bring.
http://www.energy.gov/news2009/7824.htm
I liked that the DOE called it “the new industrial revolution” as well, fuzzy, and I really like the Chu is a scientist and not a freaking politician.
August 22, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Hey Fuzzy! Hey all! Yes, Fuzzy, please post a link to the study!
Have you all seen this:
Nadler: Obama Violating Law By Not Investigating Bush
August 22, 2009 at 10:45 AM
MadamaB, don’t you think that if single payer was being properly packaged and sold, the 77% approval of the public option would change? In fact, I think it would evaporate. But, of what is being offered, I think 3/4 of Americans wanting significant alteration of the status quo is significant.
August 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Cinie, girl, you know I think so! 
“Medicare for All” is it. That is the frame that will work. Everyone knows someone who is on Medicare, right? So how scary is it to think, “Hey, I’m gonna get the same care my parents or grandparents are getting?” Not very, I would imagine.
But this President is not going to argue that Medicare for all is the way to go. He has said so time and again.
I hope the Obama-voting liberals will wake up and realize that he is not smarter and better and more heroic than they are, and that he is not going to wave a magic wand and turn America into a Liberal Paradise. Left on his own, he is only going to continue to bow and scrape to his corporate masters and the fundiegelicals.
We need a million faxes to arrive on his desk every day saying “Medicare for All. Now!” And, we need to pressure Congress too. Actually, I think that approach might work better. I think Obama is probably never going to care about the liberals who elected him. But the Congresscritters have shown they can be pushed.
August 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Taggles – That’s great. I love Nadler!
See? Our hope is in Congress, not the President.
August 22, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Besides the progressive caucuses’ demand for a “robust public option” (whatever that means), we need to know what they are doing to make sure the language of the legislation leaves the door open to single payer in the future.
August 22, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Where is the 77% stat coming from?
If the argument was framed as “single payer”, that percent would go down.
August 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM
That is the real catch, la t da. We don’t know now. So to push for as much as possible, and let them know we expect the most, is the best strategy.
The Finance Cmte. Bill will probably make most liberals want to commit hari kari!
August 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Excellent point, La-t-da!
From Sam Stein’s article that taggles linked to:
But Nadler is no dupe. He recognizes that this matter is complicated by politics. He says his major concern is not whether the Obama administration sees the legal rationale for such an investigation, but rather whether it has the political fortitude for tackling such a task.
“If you start prosecuting the Bush people,” Nadler said, “you know what is going to be said? What’s going to be said is, this is politically motivated payback for the Clinton impeachment. That is what they are going to say.”
“And you know that if you do this, there is going to be a tremendous pushback starting with Fox News and everywhere else,” he added, “not on the merits but on the political motivation of the Obama administration for vengeance… Who needs that? So from a political point of view it is the last thing you want to do. From a point of view of reestablishing justice in this country, it is essential.”
See? The Democrats know exactly what the Republicans will do to fight back. They are not caught by surprise by the right wing’s tactics at all. The Obama wing of the Party just doesn’t want to fight. That’s the bottom line. Kumbaya, my Lord, and please pass the collection plate from the multinational corporations.
August 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
La-t-da, whatever the progressive caucuses might be doing to back door single payer, Sebelius and Obama are, and always have been, against it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105442888
“This is not a trick. This is not single-payer,” Sebelius told Steve Inskeep. She added: “That’s not what anyone is talking about — mostly because the president feels strongly, as I do, that dismantling private health coverage for the 180 million Americans that have it, discouraging more employers from coming into the marketplace, is really the bad, you know, is a bad direction to go.”
(edit)
Asked if the administration’s program will be drafted specifically to prevent it from evolving into a single-payer plan, Sebelius says: “I think that’s very much the case, and again, if you want anybody to convince people of that, talk to the single-payer proponents who are furious that the single-payer idea is not part of the discussion.”
(emphasis mine)
August 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM
The point of that 77% statistic to me, is that people want the change from the status quo. They want the option of a government-run health care program like Medicare. Whether it’s a “public option” or some other choice, people DO want something different, something cheaper and more universal. The poll did not ask, “Would you rather have the public option, or Medicare for all?”
The people have not been informed of the possibility of Medicare for All. This is deliberate misinformation by the Dems and the media. And of course, the Repubs are telling their constituents that the government is not even involved in Medicare! Arrrggggghhhhh
August 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM
La-t-da, thanks for the link. It actually may be used, bless you, because I have forwarded it to a daughter-in-law who has come to this country with expertise in project management in wind energy in her country, a country well ahead of ours. And while looking for fulltime work here, she has been contacted to do consulting for a small company here with wind-energy ideas to find funding for R&D. She probably would have found the funding you sent at some point, but you may have helped to get it moving faster — and helped her with a “quick win” with her prospective client!
August 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM
And on the 77% figure, La-t-da, it’s from a SurveyUSA poll released yesterday or the day before — I saw the story on it.
August 22, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Olympia Snowe says the public option is definitely ix-nayed, according to Sam Stein. I know it’s HuffPo, but, the part about the proposed “bronze plan” for poor people is a hoot.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/21/snowe-says-no-public-opti_n_265354.html
The heart of the Finance Committee’s bill, Snowe said, is regulation that would force health insurers to offer, at an affordable price, a minimum standard of coverage — a so-called “bronze” plan.
August 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM
More from HuffPo:
Joe the Nerd: The Man Who Challenged Obama on Health Care
This guy did such a good thing, but now, he is using his fame to carry Obama’s water. Unbelievable!
In an interview with the Huffington Post, Ferraro said he supported Obama over Hillary Clinton in the primaries particularly because he had more faith in Obama to do something about health care. [me: Sorry, but WTF?!!!!] He said his wife went back to work full-time a year and a half ago so they could have health insurance for their two boys and girl. He’s frustrated that the president is being so solicitous of Republicans and conservative Democrats who have no interest in the “public option,” a government-run insurance company to compete with private insurers.
“I have nothing but bad things to say right now about any Democrat who goes up against the president,” he said. “If you’re a liberal pulling this crap, if you’re a Blue Dog pulling this crap, get the hell out of the way.”
Oh yes, get out of the way so Obama can computerize medical records and call it “health care reform.” Way to learn the lesson, Joe the Nerd!
August 22, 2009 at 11:38 AM
I get the strategy, taggles. I am good with the left of the left approach for single payer. Besides that, single payer is what I have always valued. This strategy is actually congruent to my values! What a concept! Being congruent with ones actions and values!
The Climate Change bill could bring another drop in Obama’s numbers because the left of the left. The true left of the left will not tolerate anything less that alternatives. The technologies are already available (like Fuzzy pointed out). All that is needed is the commitment to put the money into it. The status quo will be confronted more on alternative energy than single payer in my opinion.
August 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Poor Joe the Nerd just doesn’t get it. Kow-towing to Republicans and big corporations while screwing the “little people” isn’t a bug but a feature of the Obama presidency.
In fact it’s the reason that it exists.
August 22, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Cream City, I am getting geared up too. I already have a basic drafting degree that focused on alternative construction for energy efficiency and rainwater harvesting for landscaping needs. I will start in the Spring semester to up that to an Advanced Drafting Degree.
When new housing starts up here again (the desert) more builders will focus on energy efficiency. Grants will be given through the stimulus and climate change bill to builders as well. I might even work toward dull advanced drafting degrees: one in civil drafting and the one in residential drafting.
I read the book Natural Capitalism a few years ago. It is really a great book that imparts the theory and reality that a new industrial revolution is not only possible but inevitable.
August 22, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Taggles The article was in last springs issue of Natural Home Magizine I cant find my copy right now but as soon as I doo I will post the link to there website and you should be able to get the article that way….sorry 6 weeks of 6 day woprk weeks and the apartment is a disaster area…
Well all just finished a 5.5 mile walk feeling good
August 22, 2009 at 12:08 PM
no problem Fuzzy! Thank you!
I’m so glad you’re back! I have missed you!!!!!!!
5.5 miles! Woo Hoo!
It’s so hot up here in MA, that you can barely move without breaking into a sweat!
But I no complain!
It’s been so damn cold and rainy, that this actually feels good!
August 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Fredster tell this arsehole what he can do!
Baucus defends bipartisan health reform
August 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Funny but in every small town and city in america “reclaimed water” is wasted. Our city processes 45 million gallons of water from the Floridaian Aquafier daily the water is used and most of it is returned to our waste water treatment facilities and treated and released int rivers and streams.
By law this water is returned to the enviroment as clean as it leaves it. we now sell some of this cheap reclaimed water to private citizens for irrigation of there lawns. If we expanded this system then eventually all of our treated wase water could be used to irrigat lawns and parks and golf courses.
Ecologically this is how Mother Nature recycles our water resource water to restore ground water aquafiers and complete the water cycle.
Since we currently use half of our water draw from the aquafier to irrigate lawns parks and golf courses and by switching to a reclaimed city wide irrigation system we could reduce the stress of our draw from the ground water supply.
the technology is there the money is already being spent to clean up the used water before release back into the enviroment…you should be pushing for this in your towns and cities….
August 22, 2009 at 12:22 PM
pls release me from moderation I think I used the sunshine state name again…LOL
August 22, 2009 at 12:23 PM
thanks taggles and to think MIT in Mass came up with the new solar technology…..
August 22, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Back-a$$ is a nasty republican I dont care which aisle side he sits on! We should Nueter him to contain the contagion
August 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM
That man out to be frog marched out of the Senate! There has to be some memo some where, where he is proven to be in cahoots with the insurance companies.
The amt. of money the bloodsucker takes from insurance companies is enough to make anyone wonder whether he is on the dole or not.
August 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM
The public option that is being proposed in 3200 is really about Medicaid not Medicare. Medicaid is actually the “socialized” accept of our current system, because of Bushes biggest tax-dollar give away to the insurance industrial complex with the Medicare Moderation Act of 2003. That began the privatization of Medicare. That whole thing would have to be overturned for us to get “Medicare for All.”
The alternative is States. Medicaid is administered through states. Money is already sitting there for states via the stimulus plan. 3200 proposes more matching funds for states. The progressive caucuses have to be pushed. I called Raul Grijalva (co-sponsor 676) yesterday. He said he would vote for 3200 if the “current proposal” for the public option stands.
I can now see why if that public option focuses on Medicaid as a sliding-fee schedule public option. Medicaid/States is what would keep single payer alive for the future. Not the Feds. I have started a thread piece about this. It is some tricky shit.
August 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM
“the technology is there the money is already being spent to clean up the used water before release back into the enviroment…you should be pushing for this in your towns and cities….”
Fuzzy, the people pushed hard through ballot initiatives for this in Tucson, the queen of golf courses. We won. The majority of golf courses function on reclaimed water now. We also have a “wet lands” system converting “grey water” coming through the sewage plant. You are so right. The technology has been sitting there for a long time.
August 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM
thanks La t Da- good for Tuson it has voted yes for mnother nature…
I jusst posted this on my profile at my favorite site: hope I got it right?
Now for a few words about single payer and public healthcare option: Don’t believe the hype single payer is not “socialized medicine” it is not single provider.
Right now in congress and across the land the healthcare debate is being high jacked by the paid Insurance hacks and the party that lost the last election.
We cannot allow lies and slick advertising defeat this last chance to get healthcare reform right. The HMO’s and Private insurance companies are vested in defeating any reform.
Your Private Insurance provider says Single payer will allow government to choose your doctors…Like the insurance industry is more trust worthy they currently do the same thing.
Your Private Insurance provider says Single Payer will allow government to reject your request for vital care life saving care….your insurance companies can and do reject valid request every day.
Your Private Insurance provider says single payer will lead to healthcare rationing…we have that now we have rationed healthcare in such a way that 47 million Americans do not have any care at all.
Look the Insurance companies have had have had since 1948 61 years to provide cost effective healthcare for all and they have not done it…why do you think they will do any better in the future?
We are the only industrialized nation not to have a single payer system and we rank # 32 for life expectancy and have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world. Let’s not even mention teen pregnancy and STD transmission.
We have so burdened our industrial complex with the cost of health care we cannot compete against countries with single payer options or national healthcare…
Whether you agree with me or not don’t let the debate be high jacked by the insurance lobby and their paid operatives.
Factoid: 92.5% of every Medicare dollar spent goes to direct care. Only about 7.5% goes to administration. With private Health Insurance only about 65-70% goes to direct health care the rest goes to high executive salaries administration costs and corporate profits.
The proof is in the pudding and Private for profit healthcare is less efficient and more expensive. It is a failure of the capitalist system that that we don’t have efficient healthcare.
Get involved!
FYI I am a Liberal Capitalist I believe there are just some social requirements where the capitalist model doesnt work.
1) Education
2)Defense
3)Healthcare
to name 3.
August 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Just askin’….How much money did the Obama campaign get from insurance companies during the election?
This needs to be researched.
Why don’t you do it yourself, Beata?
Okay, I’ll look into it.
August 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Joe The Nerd is an idiot. Always has been, always will be.
Where’s Angie? Where’s ThreeWickets?
August 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Fuzzy,
I hope you get long winded often if it will provide me and others with what you told us. One failure of our capitalist system is that we don’t have efficient healthcare.
FYI I am a Liberal Capitalist I believe there are just some social requirements where the capitalist model doesnt work.
1) Education
2) Defense
3) Healthcare
to name 3.
Something is wrong with the capitalist model in this country. I think a lot of it has to do with greed and power. Some people can never have enough money/power and don’t give a rat’s ass about other people.
August 22, 2009 at 2:10 PM
What’s the difference between “sliding fee” and multi-tiered service levels? Why not Snowe’s “bronze plan? Maybe I need more info, but I don’t see “everybody in…” equal access for all in any kind of staggered fee/service proposal. The less you pay, the less you get, right?
August 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM
DYB,
The last I heard about Angie is that she is very, very busy. New house, parents, work, etc.
Check out TC, I thought I saw 3Wickets over there.
August 22, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Cinie,
I think your right, the less you pay the less you get. It might take someone smarter than me to figure it out. Heres hoping that smarter someone comes along soon, cause I’d like to hear more conversation about a staggered fee/service proposal.
August 22, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Beata,
Good Question, “How much money did the Obama campaign get from insurance companies during the election?”
August 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Health industry donations:
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=H&cycle=2008&recipdetail=A&sortorder=U
August 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Thanks cinie I just wanted to remind everyone there are some things a well regulated free market (and no that is not an oxymoron) can provide like the vast array of consumer goods that our economy of abundance has. The profit motive is not always a bad thing as long as we keep the market fair.
Unfortunately the Social service needs that society requires to function properly, a well planned and infrastructure, an educated and “healthy” work force, and defense, cannot be met with in the capitalist model of profit motive/free market.
The fact that capitalism cannot exsist with out these social services is a good reason to institute a goverment that will provide these services so both the need of the consumer and producer can co exsist to benifit of both.
Also Goverment should be the watchdog to contain greed and profit so that capitalism itself comes to exsist for the betterment of society.
I believe that is what the republicans fail to see both the public and the private sector need each other to function at their best and the citizens are best served when both sectors preform their proper roles.
“The Goverment is Bad and can do nothing right” MEME should be added to Madamab’s list of Toxic Memes…
We liberals are not antibusiness per se but we are anti business when business becomes involved in goverment which exsists to regulate it.
I am for companies making a profit and distributing and investing it to the betterment of their shareholders.
I am against business that become arrogant and believe what is best for them is wat is best for america. It should always be the other way around.
August 22, 2009 at 3:19 PM
oh and thank you caroline hope the second of my posts meets also with your approval…
Sadly the republicans got it wrong on capitalism too…their model leads to facism plane and simple.
The Liberal model for capitalism is like the seperation of powers our foreparents constructed in the constitution, it creates a platform from which all can help to build a better, a more just and a more free society.
This model can also prevent the desent into absolute despotism and tyranny Thomas Jefferson warned us about in the Declaration Of Independence.
August 22, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Fuzzy – I just love the way you express yourself!
I ran into some anti-government health care protestors as I went out to brunch today. A few people were waving flags with 13 stars and 13 stripes. One person had a sign with Dr. Kevorkian on it. My husband was absolutely incensed, and so was I.
What killed me were the flags, because they were implying that they, the protestors, were more patriotic than I because they preferred the status quo. Yeah, Thomas Paine said, “Give me private insurance, or give me death!”
August 22, 2009 at 5:28 PM
What’s the difference between “sliding fee” and multi-tiered service levels? Why not Snowe’s “bronze plan? Maybe I need more info, but I don’t see “everybody in…” equal access for all in any kind of staggered fee/service proposal. The less you pay, the less you get, right?
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“Sliding Fee” deals with “Medicaid” in HR 3200. They are proposing to raise the eligibility limits of Medicaid up to 400% above poverty which is actually rather high (43,000 annual income range.) Currently Medicaid eligibility is capped at 133% (14,000 income range). Anything in between those % premiums would be based on a “sliding fee scale”. I’m sure there would also be deductibles.
From what I can tell, when the progressives speak of a “robust public option” they are talking about the new proposals for Medicaid which is administered through States and Counties. (Usually University Hospitals which are normally pretty decent systems because most University Hospitals are also research hospitals.)
I am still researching what this “robust public option” thing is that the progressives are proposing. It isn’t looking too “robust” to me at the moment. It would only be “robust” in my opinion if Kucinich’s single-payer for states bill would go through also. That bill would probably help cover those sliding fees.
August 22, 2009 at 5:56 PM
New post up! Some good news for a change, courtesy of Taggles’ Breaking News widget!
August 22, 2009 at 6:54 PM
HT dont you dare go back to lurking I love your prose and your cute avatar!
I wish those folks that are claiming to be more American than me would take a look at the state of the republic…our constitution is a livig and breathing document it represented the best justice that our foreparents could formulate at the time. These men for they were all men were not demigods they were visionaries.
They created a document that with the bill of rights has endured until this very day. It has only been altered 15 times since. We should be proud that our people have stuck with it for so long. It has endured because each generation has strived to extend the franchise of citizenry and sufferage to more and more of America’s people.
Sadly we may be the first generation not extend the franchise by denying it to Women Immigrants and The LGBT community. This is not something we should be proud of.
August 22, 2009 at 6:59 PM
No, we shouldn’t be proud of that at all, Fuzzy!
But look upstairs…good news for LGBT!
August 22, 2009 at 7:06 PM
la,
Thanks for looking into this. Keep us updated if you find more info.
See, you were just one of those smarter people I was hoping for.
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August 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM
morning all sorry been MIA for last few days work has been awful. Madamab you got mail…(I have always wanted to say that here) Morning all.
Looks like the philosophy of attacking the administration from the left is gaining traction… joining the right was never a good option for us and now we are being proved right (err correct) in our/well mostly you at the widdershins. This is a strategy that is proving itself.
We Cannot let up this guy (The Pampers in Chief) is a republican(little r) in Liberbal clothes…and not so much of that anymore as he looks more and more like an Oligarch every day.
Taggles Madamab Pat et all fuzzy is back.
One thing I will say the cash for clunkers is actually putting people back to work and reducing our dependence on foriern Oil. There is a lesson here for Pampers to bad he is not learning from it.
He should be putting every penny the banks pay us back in TARP and Stimulous money into job creation programs and supporting an American Industrial Rebirth.
here is my one little suggestion that could creat jobs help put a stop to global warming and make us all feel better about our carbon footprint:
At MIT in the last year solar consentratration technology has had a break through that could if properly funded increase our current PV cells efficiency and electric output by a factor of 40.
With current technology in the last 20 years we have taken solar from 40 times as expensive as conventional electric to about 5 times as expensive to almost parity. This could put America on the right path to cheap clean renewable energy.
Mr Obama for once in your life show some real leadership and put about $5 to $10 billion in getting this technology to market. Imagine a $ 30K solar system today produces 3 kwh power for about 32 cents per kilowatt and a 10-12 yr payback.
With this technology we could cut the cost by at least 10 fold to 3.2 cents per Kilowatt which is less than the cost of burning dirty coal.
Taggles think what that would mean coupled witgh wind and geothermal and hydroelectric America could by 2025 have a green grid. And those beautiful mountains in West Virginia and Pennsylvania would be there for your great great grand children to admire.
I know how passionate you are about ending the disruction of mountians to get at the coal.
Sorry for the spelling I am just glad to be back.
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If you would like to read the article in natural home about the above breakthrough I will gladly try to get you this short but informative article From Natural Home.