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Posted by: taggles on: September 14, 2009

coming-soonA young couple in Queensland is charged with procuring abortion drugs and face up to seven years in jail. In Australia, each state has it’s own abortion laws and in Queensland it is illegal to have an abortion, surgically or otherwise, except in the cases of incest and rape and life of the mother threatened.

Anna Bligh stays out of ‘tragic’ abortion case

Cairns teenager Tegan Simone Leach, 19, and her 21-year-old partner, Sergie Brennan, were committed for trial on Friday for allegedly procuring an illegal abortion with RU486 and misoprostol imported from the Ukraine. If convicted, Ms Leach faces up to seven years’ jail.

Her partner faces up to three years’ jail if convicted of supplying a drug to procure an abortion, under Queensland’s century-old laws.

Also, Ms. Leach is in hiding:

Ms Leach’s solicitor, Bernie Carman, told The Sunday Mail his client had lost her job and was staying at a secret location after her former home was fire-bombed and her car vandalised.

These two criminals had their home searched where the remnants of open medication were found:

The interview was conducted on the same day police raided the Mt Sheridan home of Mr Brennan and his girlfriend, Tegan Simone Leach, 19.

The police allegedly found empty packets of prescription-only abortion drugs mifolian, … a version of RU486, … and the expellent misoprostol in a bedroom cupboard.

The couple were then charged. Ms Leach with procuring an abortion, the first woman believed charged in about 50 years with the offence under a section of Queensland’s
century-old criminal code.

Mr Brennan was charged with supplying drugs to procure an abortion.

On Friday, the couple were committed to stand trial in the Cairns District Court at a date to be set.

Their answer when questioned, as to why did they do this:

because they were not ready.

This is the fundie gelicals wet dream here for the United States. Each state putting different restrictions on abortions.

Abortion opponents try harder line on ban

There’s nothing subtle about the sales pitch by abortion opponents who are gathering signatures at the Colorado State Fair for a ballot measure that would give legal rights to fertilized embryos.

“Would you like to sign a petition to stop abortion?” asks Keith Mason, head of suburban Denver’s Personhood USA. Mason and a corps of volunteers gathered thousands of signatures during the two-week fair to have Colorado’s constitution define people from “the beginning of biological development of a human being.”

“I think that people are people from the time they are conceived, and they should be treated as such,” said Pat Kraus of La Junta, 61, who signed the petition at a booth under a “LIFE COUNTS” banner.

Personhood USA is similar to anti-abortion campaigns before it, but it’s taking a bolder approach. It wants to end all abortions, even in cases of rape or incest, by adding fertilized embryos to constitutional and legal definitions of humans.

So, to all those people not concerned about the possible overturn of Roe v Wade because each state would be able to decide whether to allow abortion or not, please think about Tegan Simone Leach and Queensland, Australia.

56 Responses to "Coming Soon to a Theater Near You!?"

Wow. Those criminals who try to control whether or not they reproduce! Shame on them! (Snark)

“States’ rights” in the old Republican platform was always code for racism. Now it’s acquired a new meaning: fundiegelical empowerment.

Eeck! I had no idea Australia (or parts of it) banned abortion.

I lived in such a country until I got out. I heard, after I left that they were giving women mandatory check-ups at their places of work to detect any early pregnancy before a crime could be committed.
Also, just like Obama “owned” deval Patrick lines, he now says he owns the insurers healthcare “reform”
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/obama-owns-healthcare-reform-but-who-owns-obama/

…define people from “the beginning of biological development of a human being.”

I wonder if their views would change if from that “beginning” they knew that speck was a homosexual. “I think that people are people from the time they are conceived, and they should be treated as such,”…

I really do not relish the role of Widdershinnan Contrarian, but many southerners (including me, the left-leaning Independent-former-Democrat and ACLU member for 43 years) feel strongly about the 10th Amendment. The federal governments’ incursions into states have included such unfunded mandates as No Child Left Behind, which down in Fl@rida has been a disaster. We now boast a HS graduation rate of <80%, as the standardized tests are given to children who do not speak English well, they cannot possibly pass, and teachers and schools are held accountable. I have no problem with national standards, but the states must retain some rights as well. I am certainly not disputing that Roe v. Wade (which was successfully prosecuted by a member of my sorority) is settled Federal law based on the implied right to privacy. I feel strongly about a guaranteed right to health care, as it is an implied right to prisoners in the Sixth Amendment, and I do not consider it a stretch to grant it to all of us who are not incarcerated. I would be thrilled if congress again banned assault rifles, as I see no civilian application for them, and as I see the Second Amendment, it guarantees only the right to a well-armed state militia, not a well-armed populace. (I am one of the few Southerners who do not and will not own a weapon. Any self-respecting burgular would quickly realize that I do not know what I am doing and kill me with my own weapon.) Therefore I do not see states' rights as a Republican code for racism, as I am neither.

Chatblu -

You are not a Republican, and I explicitly said that in the Republican platform “states’ rights” was used as a code for racism. This is a well-known fact.

African-American Civil Rights Movement

During the African-American Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s, the longstanding use of states’ rights to maintain Southern racial politics was highlighted with proponents of racial segregation and Jim Crow laws denouncing federal interference in these state-level policies.

Brown v. Board of Education (1954) overruled the Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) decision, but the Fourteenth and Fifteenth amendments were largely inactive in the South until the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. § 21)[8] and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Several states passed Interposition Resolutions to declare that the Supreme Court’s ruling in Brown usurped states’ rights.

There was also states’ rights opposition to voting rights at Edmund Pettus Bridge, which was part of the Selma to Montgomery marches that resulted in the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Do you really have a problem with this well-known historical fact about the Republican Party?

Not per se, as long as it isn’t stretched into the belief that all who subscribe to states’ rights are Republican racists. It’s sort of analagous to the old saw that all poodles are dogs, but all dogs are not poodles. I’m switching to decaf now………

Also, most Southerners were Democrats at the time, as Lincoln was a Republican. Many became Republican because Johnson was a Democrat. I really hate that my region of the country practices reactionary party affiliations rather than being whom and what they are.

I actually have no issue with state rights and actually think we should, in an ideal nation, go this route. The Fundies have had the market on going back door through states for way too long: it was actually pretty clever on their part.

Progressive have really dropped the ball on this option. The 19th and 14th Amendments now have to be firmly in place to balance out the playing field. The liberals always seem to be playing catch up on state ballot initiative.

I’ve been think about the states rights issue more with the introduction of the Kucinich Amendment which would give states the right to bypass a fed law and implement single payer state by state.

The con for liberals, as well as the responsibility, to focus on states, is that “hate can be voted in with 51% of the vote”. Bertrand Russel has a good essay on this: The Theory of Democracy.

Progressives could vote in equality though as well with 51% of the vote if they would focus on states rather than dicking around with Presidents and Congress.

La-t-da – The problem is, as you stated, that hate can be voted in, and it will be.

I don’t think it’s helpful to focus on states. The only reason the fundies are being successful in their anti-choice/anti-same-sex marriage efforts, is that there is no ERA, which would ensure explicit Constitutional protection for women and LGBT.

Passage of the ERA will cut them all off at the knees, which is why they made sure in the 70′s that it would not be ratified. FOCA would also stop them in their tracks, which is why it is no longer a “legislative priority” for Obama.

We cannot win at their game, they have been organizing this for decades and we have not. They have the money, the time and the single-minded crazy hatred which will keep them going. We don’t have that either.

Best to go around them and stop them for good. State laws can be changed, but the Constitution is almost impossible to change.

LTD, I agree that hate can be voted in. Fundies have a magnificent ability to turn out the vote that is reminiscent of the black block voting of the 60′s and 70′s, and they trrly hare abortion and gay marriage. I have a Fundie friend that makes phone calls by the thousands, drives mini-bus loads of people to the polls, and they stood in the pouring rain singing hyms to vote for GWB in 2004. Progressives could learn a great deal from both the Fundies and the Axelrods of the world on turning out the vote. The problem that I am finding is that many reasonable people are exhausted by the efforts of both groups. 2010 may be an epic struggle between these two forces that, if nothing else, may be historically interesting. I also find the Kucinich amendment to be one of the better efforts to come out of congress lately, and could be an answer of sorts.

Oops – trrly hare=truly hate.

I have issues with “letting people win with their game” and I said the 14th and 19th amendments need to be firmly in place to balance out the playing field and the damage the Fundies have done. Liberals will have to work in states as well as the federal level because we have let them win the game giving Fundies the power to have the market on this methodology. My investment of putting time and actions into states is always something that I will continue to do because of the anti-gay marriage hate vote here in AZ. Liberals have to multitask because we dropped the ball and now have to pay catchup. I have have to take care of my own family regarding gay rights outside of the issue of the ERA. The battle for the ERA will come down to activism in states any to put pressure on the states to ratify it. It does not mean I disagree with your arguments. It means I think we have to do both. Just sayin.

La-t-da – Let me put it this way. The fundies have spent decades pushing out moderate Republicans from the Party. How did they do this? By running for state and local office and winning those elections. They did that by shamelessly politicizing their churches and getting out the vote. Now, the Party is made in their image. It’s horrifying for us, but it is great for them.

As a long-term strategy, I think we liberals can and should run for office, thereby pushing the Party to the left from the ground up. But as a strategy for getting civil rights for women and LGBT before the fundies take everything away, I don’t think it works. We may not even have more than a year or so before Roe v. Wade is overturned. I am 100% serious about this.

And as for personal activism, if you want to use your time to work in your state, that is awesome and I would never discourage it. I am talking about movement activism.

Agreed. But first, I believe, that we should most likely have a seperate and distinct Constitutional Amendment. Sadly, as the third wave of feminism never really launched, this will be easier said than done. I have had many brisk discussions with my own daughter, who cannot conceptualize the world as I knew it, any more than I could conceptualize the Egyptian Pharoahs. My paternal grandmother worked hard for women’s right to vote, and I have voted in every election since my eighteenth birthday, including by absentee when I lived overseas. My daughter, and many others of her generation, does not seem to grasp how fragile and tenuous our hold on these matters continues to be. She looks at me oddly when I tell her that I see ground being lost rather than gained. Please tell me that we do not have to re-litigate everything that we have ever gained on an ongoing basis.

And as for personal activism, if you want to use your time to work in your state, that is awesome and I would never discourage it. I am talking about movement activism.

I feel I have to do both to face the Fundie bastards head on. Educate people and expose “exactly” what these assholes are doing behind the scenes. The “practical” (as you really resonate with) is also the practical for me.

Women activist will have to come together at the state level for the ERA ratification to put pressure on the state governments. The building of those state activist are also the same activist we use at the national level. Gathering smaller groups of an ERA and LBGT coalition to start just my be easier to do organizationally.

The state chapters of NOW are the forerunners with the blessing, umbrella, and funding, and advertising of national NOW. Just like you and taggles speak of about your relationship with NY NOW. I think more intimate relationships can be formed with the state chapters.

That’s all I saying, Mb, actually agreeing with your approach to go through NY NOW. I think I am just talking about how we gather and organize the activist.

LTD, if you live in AZ, you are also fighting the Mormons. My God, you do have a disaster there.

Do you really have a problem with this well-known historical fact about the Republican Party?
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I am missing your point or you are “showing your age. :>) You weren’t born in to watch Democrats filibuster anti-lynching laws or filibuster civil rights laws. Those were the days when it took 67 votes to break a filibuster and the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1967 was the first time that a filibuster of civil rights legislation had been defeated. Senator Byrd was the last Senator to speak, for more than 14 hours, before the final cloture vote. The yes/no votes were D-46/21 R-27/6.

When Ronald Reagan launched is campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi and the Republican “Southern Strategy” began, then there was a major reshuffling of racists in the political parties. An interesting side note, the ERA was a part of the Republican Party platform from 1944 to 1980.

La-t-da – I am a bit discouraged by my attempts to form a local activist group at the moment. I don’t think there are enough liberal folks who understand the danger of what is happening with Obama to really make it happen. As chatblu says, women really do not get it. And women are the ones who traditionally take the time to agitate for political causes.

That is why I think joining with other groups who get it already is the way to go. NOW seems to be going the right way, and of course, the LGBT community is waking up.

But I have no illusions that I can do this myself any more. There is not enough time. There is no limit to the damage Obama can do as a rightwing Trojan horse.

SHV, I remember the Civil Rights Era close up and personal as well. My high schoolkdesegregated rather quietly in 1965. I was in college when all hell broke loose. I do rfemember Reagan’s speech in Philadelphia, Miss. well. I’m certain that he did not choose that location because it is the birthplace of Archie Manning. That was what brought about the “Reagan Democrats”, and why he is such an icon to Generation Jones is a mystery to me. He picked many scabs off of many festering wounds.

Yes, chatblu, two fronts. It was their funding that organized the fundie coalitions to “preach” about anti-gay marriage. Their were 217 churches here that signed onto a coalition. It made it look like the Mormans were not involved because most of those churches were fundamentalist doctrines.

No doubt in my mind that the same coalition will regather again for the ERA battle. My thing mainly: Know who those churches are and peacefully protest with signage outside during their Sunday Morning services. Expose them to the neighbors that these churches sit it.

The people, liberals, women, LBGT in the neighborhoods might not even know these churches are involved in organized coalitions to stomp on equal rights: they might join with us because we are being visible in a grassroots roots way.

Other local churches, real Christians, as opposed to Fundies, might even offer us support and inform their congregates or even try to pressure the fundies themselves. I’m over the Fundies as you all well know and I say face the haters head on.

On the practical, I know if Christians confronted the Fundies (I do not consider Fundies Christians) it would have more weight that a Heathen like me confronting them, but if we had both social justice activist working with Christians that would be one powerful statement.

I am processing all this with with my Lutheran social activist friend and mentor, cleffnote, who blogs here occasionally. She thinks such a coalition could work to pressure the Fundies. It is her that helped me see that Christians and Fundies are two different things.

A true Christian loves people, tries to aid the unfortunate, feed the hungry and aid the poor and afflicted, not any difference from what a sincere Jewish person, Buddhists, etc. would do. The Fundies give the man from Nazareth a black eye. One of my favorite bumper stickers reads “Oh, Lord, deliver me from your followers.”

La-t-da – What about The Elders?

http://theelders.org/

This seems like a great group for a religious person to join and support.

Yes, social and economic justice where attributes of Jesus as well as most historic prophets of other major religions. Jesus “overturned the money exchange tables in the temple” and he stood up for women. Did he not! The disconnect of Fundies with this aspect Jesus is staggering. There is no changing their mind any more. “Fundies are not Christians!”

Absolutely, Mb. Yes, The Elders! They are a powerful gathering of social justice and well recognized leaders around the globe.

Mad, the Elders looks great! I’m going to try to hook m y Fundie friend up to it.

birthplace of Archie Manning.
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No, it was picked because it was the “death” place of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner.

Jimmy Carter recently joined The Elders – that’s how I heard of it.

I agree wholeheartedly that most religious people are not fundiegelicals. I think it is a huge mistake that the left makes sometimes, to throw all religious people into the same boat and dismiss them.

I am fortunate to have many religious friends, and they all think the fundiegelicals are nuts. I also do not believe the fundies are Christians, but since I am Jewish, I am not sure my opinion means a lot. LOL

Of course it does, Mb. The Jewish faith has it’s social justice prophets too! Like Chatblu said. This is about Christians, Buddhist, Jewish, Hindus, and Muslims who honor and view their “elders” or prophets as social justice advocates. I think that is the coolest thing about the group “The Elders”. I can’t remember the name of the Hindu woman off the top of my head from The Elders, but Hillary spent half the day with her when she was in India.

I know you can’t watch it at work, Mb, but wanted to let you know that the hearing/investigation about your petition the other day is underway!

Commission Investigates The Hiring of Kabul Embassy Guards Today

Recently eight security guards, employed by Armour Group North America to protect the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, were fired for alleged misconduct. The Commission on Wartime Contracting, a bipartisan body appointed by Congress to investigate reconstruction and security projects, looks at the State Department’s hiring practices.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

SHV: Exactly. He appealled to the worst and basest nature of the Southern soul. Racism began to die out in my generation. It dwindled more with my daughters generation. I watch my grandsons play basketball – and only one of them “gots game” – with black, Hispanic, and East Indian friends. They honestly do not see color. We must wait for the elders to pass on, taking their beliefs with them, and wait for those of my generation who were so inflamed by Reagan to follow. I honestly believe, that save for that SOB, we would truly be farther ahead.

Reagan to follow. I honestly believe, that save for that SOB,
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Absolutely!! Richard Nixon is held up as the “evil” Republican but for all of Nixon’s abuses of the Office of President, he really didn’t have a lasting negative impact on the Liberal direction of American Politics. The Reagan Revolution had and is having an extremely destructive impact on this Country. As far a causing a lasting destructive impact on this country, Ronald Reagan was, by far, the worst President of the 20th Century.

That is great, La-t-da!

Chatblu – Raygun is the root of all the evil in today’s Republican Party. He looked at the fundies and saw so many dollar signs, he invited them right into that tent. They are not a good match for the “traditional” Republican platform at all, actually, but now they have overrun everyone else.

Meanwhile, I want to bring it on home to Taggles’ point, which was:

When a Republican tells you that they want to leave abortion to the states, this (what happened in Australia) is what happens. So, do not EVER trust them on this issue.

Lunch time!

I absolutely agree. My late father was a moderate Republican who felt that the government had no place in your bedroom. (My mother was a passionate Democrat. It made for some entertaining election cycles at my house.) He voted for Reagan the first time, but grew to loathe him. Also, he did not vote for Nixon as he said “The man has all the class of a shoplifter in the five and dime stores”.

LOL, Chatblu! I’ll bet your dad was a great guy. :-D

chatblu said:

The federal governments’ incursions into states have included such unfunded mandates as No Child Left Behind, which down in Fl@rida has been a disaster.

And of course this fall under that fave rubric of unfunded mandate.

I have a friend who just retired last year as a music teacher, mostly in middle school. She said the idea was nice but the application of it was horrible. Caused more grief for the school systems than it was worth.

Yes, Mad, he was a great guy – an honest, forthright individual. He believed both in personal responsibility and in public service. Fredster, Fl@rida has been a train wreck with NCLB. Barbara Bush contributed large bucks to Fl@rida education, but it could only be used for the software made exclusively by – wait for it – Neal Bush. I have several friends who have taught school for many years who are clinging by their fingernails at this point in time. Class sizes are up, teachers are furloughed, all teaching assistants have been let go, but each and every classroom has an electronic blackboard ans a microphone – YAAAAAY!

Barbara Bush contributed large bucks to Fl@rida education, but it could only be used for the software made exclusively by – wait for it – Neal Bush

Didn’t they pull that same stunt somewhere else? I seem to recall reading about it elsewhere.

Didn’t they pull that same stunt somewhere else? I seem to recall reading about it elsewhere.
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The Clinton/Bush Katrina fund, same stipulations and a tax deduction.

The Clinton/Bush Katrina fund, same stipulations and a tax deduction.

What did that have to do with buying educational software?

What did that have to do with buying educational software?
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Maybe I missed your point…but Barbara Bush gave $$ to the Katrina fund with the stipulation that it could only be used to buy Ed. software from Neal Bush’s company. In addition she took a tax right off and IIRC she had a financial connection with her son’s company.

Just saw this on the Roll Call site:

“Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) said Monday that there is “high probability” that he will release his health care reform bill Tuesday and that he hopes to simultaneously announce that it will be a bipartisan product.”

This is good news is you believe, as I think the Dem leadership believes, that Health Insurance Reform is about President Obama vs the Rethugs. I think the Tuesday release of the Max Baucus Health Insurance Reform will not be good news for people who were anticipating that in 4-6 years their health Insurance coverage would be better. Health Insurance Reform has turned out to be almost exactly the same “Reform” package that the health Insurance Industry proposed in Dec. 2008.

Another Roll Call update….Well the Dems are really on a “roll”; why exactly did I spend $$$$$$$ over the last three elections to help get Dem majorities????

“Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) indicated that Senate Finance negotiators are narrowing in on language that would prohibit any health care bill from paying for abortions.”

From that and from the Obama health speech, if a woman receives a tax credit to help offset her purchase of a Junk Private Health Insurance Plan, she will be denied payment for reproductive choice??? What about Plan B or even contraception???

This is the “in” that the fundies have handled snakes for, an opening to shut off private insurance funding for abortion.

SHV: That is my greatest fear, that this plan will be the enforced purchase of junk insurance, thereby swelling the coffers of the insurers. Howard Dean was on “Meet the Press” Sunday, and he stated that if was to be done privately we could follow one of the European models that regulate insurers as public utilities are regulated. Fredster: Barbara is determined to support Neal. It worked so well in Fl@rida, why not spread the joy?

SHV: That is my greatest fear, that this plan will be the enforced purchase of junk insurance, thereby swelling the coffers of the insurers.
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Baucus seems very optimistic, therefore I think that Snowe and possibly Collins are on board. That is the signal that the Insurance Companies got everything that they wanted.

OT:

Watch this and ask yourselves what motivated this man and his wife.

The hatred in this country is fast reaching a dangerous level!

And……

Patrick Swayze Died today!

LOS ANGELES – Patrick Swayze, the hunky actor who danced his way into viewers’ hearts with “Dirty Dancing” and then broke them with “Ghost,” died Monday after a battle with pancreatic cancer. He was 57.
“Patrick Swayze passed away peacefully today with family at his side after facing the challenges of his illness for the last 20 months,” said a statement released Monday evening by his publicist, Annett Wolf. No other details were given.

Patrick Swayze passed away peacefully today with family at his side after facing the challenges of his illness for the last 20 months,”
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He fought it for a long time. I think that he had advanced cancer when diagnosed and the average survival is 3-5 months.

Poor man. RIP Patrick Swayze. 56 is awfully young to die.

My uncle had pancreatic cancer. He lasted 13 months, which was considered a long time. I can also say that there was nothing “peaceful” about his final months. “Dirty Dancing” is my mother’s favorite movie of all time. She used to watch it all the time after we first came to the US, no understanding a single word anyone said. She wasn’t watching it for the talking! She was looking at Patrick Swayze!

(whispering guiltily)

I love Dirty Dancing.

No need to be ashamed. It’s a good movie!

New post up…RIP Patrick!

Maybe I missed your point…but Barbara Bush gave $$ to the Katrina fund with the stipulation that it could only be used to buy Ed. software from Neal Bush’s company

Oh okay I see. She donated to the Katrina fund and said it could only be used to buy Neal’s software.

Clinton should have had the balls to give the check back to 41.

Fredster, then he would have been harangued for declining much-needed funds. Every way he moves, he looses on that one, I’m certain.

If you loved this thread, carol, I bet you would really love the one that is up now. You know if it would have been me, your comment wouldn’t be sitting in pending now. But then again you and I got a thing goin’ on.

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