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MW: Dear Terry: If This is in My Hands, I’m Washing Them

Posted by chatblu on November 7, 2009

No Thanks, Terry

No Thanks, Terry

Today’s email includes a plea from Terry O’Neill, the President of NOW, to pretty, pretty please contact my representative to vote for HR 3962, AKA “The Affordable Health Care for America Bill”. She freely admits that this bill is far from our wildest dreams, but insists that this is probably the best that we are going to do at this point in time. Terry states that Nancy Pelosi is certain that this “compromise” bill will cover 96% of the American public, which is great unless you happen to fall into the 4% that is excluded. Call me crazy, but I had always thought that Congress represents everyone – silly me!

HR 3962 will, she states, curb insurances abuses, provide insurance reforms, cover “a majority” of citizens, provide subsidies to low “and some” moderate income people, assure that at least one plan will cover termination of pregnancy, and contains the essentials of a public health plan. “Much needed repairs” to the health care system are contained in this bill.

So here we go, Widdershins. The true gem of the NOW email is this: “NOW is committed to working on a better public health insurance plan, and eventually (emphasis mine), to see states adapt the much more affordable and comprehensive single payer plans.” Eventually? Sweet jumpin’ Jayzus on a carousel, Terry. We’ve only been at this since the Roosevelt administration. When the hell is eventually? Call me crazy, but I sort of think the time has come.

I’m also stewing over this nugget: “At some near date, we want to see women’s reproductive care covered –  just like any other part of basic health care.” This is from the National Organization for Women? I am speechless. Well, almost speechless – try this one on, Terry: I am willing to back down on women’s reproductive care if my brethren will follow suit in men’s genitor-urinary care. That’s right – no vasectomies, no PSAs to see if you have prostate cancer, no Flomax when said prostate swells to the size of Montana, and no Viagra coverage at all. None, zero, zip, squat, nyet. I would consider this to be an equitable compromise.

Not that the Republican version of health care sounds terrific. The centerpiece of the bill is, of course, tort reform. I live in a state where lawsuits are forbidden except in cases of permanent disability, or the death of a person either married or the parent of a minor child. Physicians in this state may therefore misdiagnose/mistreat the hell out of you, and kill off all of the single people (or those without minor children) that they would like without the specter of litigation dogging their heels. They do not have to carry malpractice insurance, either, if they are willing to post a bond with the state to cover them should they manage to maim or kill someone within the narrow definition of the law through a therapeutic misadventure or two. Despite all of these reforms, the cost of medical care in The State Which Must Not Be Named has skyrocketed right along with everyone else.

The Democratic Party of Fl*rida, which has yet to understand that I am no longer a member, sent a pretty well-referenced email outlining the rest of the Republicans’ plan. Apparently, it does not reduce premiums, does not stop the whole “pre-existing” mess, allows insurers to drop you when you become ill (but does insist that they be nice enough to notify you), would actually raise the number of the uninsured, and (hilariously) appears to be more expensive per the Congressional Budget Office.

Frankly, I am absolutely turned off by both. How about you?

This is an open thread.

64 Responses to “MW: Dear Terry: If This is in My Hands, I’m Washing Them”

  1. It gets worse: they are going to vote up and down the banning of funding for abortions. Ya know, the ones Obama clamored for all along. And it’s irrelevant as women pay for abortions in cash anyway, really
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/roe-gets-banned-de-facto-as-per-obamas-wishes/

  2. chatblu said

    True enough, Edge. Whether the ban is de facto or de jure, it’s a ban.

  3. janicen said

    Is it true, what I’ve read on other blogs, that the public option does not cover birth control or routine gyn visits?

  4. chatblu said

    I would have to believe it is vis a vis Terry’s comment “at some near date, we want to see women’s reproductive care covered”.

  5. chatblu said

    Fredster: Best of luck today. Geaux, Tigers! Make the Tide go out.

  6. Back Bay Style said

    Has NOW looked at cnn.com this morning? Do they know about overnight negotiations in Pelosi’s office where abortion coverage was bargained away, and if it exists at all, will be a separate rider which women would have to pay extra for on our insurance?

  7. chatblu said

    I’m at a loss as to what NOW is thinking. They seemed to be returning to the NOW we knew and supported. What the hell happenned?

  8. Back Bay Style said

    It looks like just another case of even when a good person gets elected, she gets beaten down by powers larger than herself. I’m with MadamaB..if they have in fact bargained coverage for reproductive rights away in the dead of night, and if Pelosi, for crying out loud, a sophisticated Catholic who ought to be able to tell the bishops to back off and go back to whatever it is they do when they are not harassing women, can’t tell them to pipe down. If I were Nancy now, I would call their bluff, and dare the bishops to send public letters of excommunication to the Catholic dems they’ve intimidated. My guess is the bishops would back down pretty fast. And even if they didn’t, so what? If she is letting the church dictate her position on women’s reproductive rights, she should no longer be Speaker of the House.

  9. madamab said

    About a week ago, NOW was insisting on full reproductive coverage and single payer health insurance. I signed one of their petitions to that effect. Hell, if you go on their “Say It, Sister!” blog, there is a post by the VP of action saying just what I said above on 10/29.

    In my opinion, someone in the administration got to her. I don’t know how, but they did. This shocking about- face is too sudden to draw any other conclusion.

  10. Back Bay Style said

    I agree, someone in the administration had to have got to Terry. There’s still no excuse for Pelosi. Has she even heard of JFK? This is why there has never been another Catholic president…and considering that so many women in public life are or were raised Catholic, this is why I believe we will never have a female president unless she is a token anti-choice Republican.

  11. madamab said

    Fron what I have read, Back Bay Style, Pelosi is being pressured by 40 anti-abortion House Dems to ban abortion and reproductive coverage. She has stood up to Obama on this issue before, and she is personally pro-choice. Her own Party is stabbing her in the back. Quelle surprise!

  12. chatblu said

    I think that the Party has ordered her to, come hell or high water, come up with a bill that can pass, enabling Obama to take credit for the whole damn thing.

  13. Fredster said

    chatblu said
    November 7, 2009 at 11:18 AM

    Fredster: Best of luck today. Geaux, Tigers! Make the Tide go out.

    Thank ye Chat! I’d love for us to be the spoiler to Alabama! :-) However, I think it will be close and we’ll lose.

    I cannot believe they are going to try to pass a bill that does not include routine gyn care! :evil: Does that mean they won’t cover things such as mammograms and pap smears and stuff??? Christ, even medicare covers those once a year or something. The momster got a letter about that and the other routine health care tests available like colonoscopy and such.

  14. chatblu said

    The whole bill is amazing, and not in a positive sense, either. Your game with ‘Bama will be a battle of the D’s.

  15. chatblu said

    OMG -I just got my What on Earth catalogue. On the back cover, you can order a Barack Obama chia.

  16. Fredster said

    Chat said: Your game with ‘Bama will be a battle of the D’s.

    Yep it will be. I saw yesterday that Les Miles and the LSU team are staying at the B’ham Marriott because that’s where they stayed the last time they were up here and won the game! :lol:

    Nothing like a little pre-game superstition is there!!

  17. chatblu said

    Whatever works, as long as there’s no eye-gouging involved.

  18. Fredster said

    Whatever works, as long as there’s no eye-gouging involved.

    I know!!!! Didn’t that just suck??? That asshole needed to be suspended for a few games.

  19. chatblu said

    A few games at least. Coach Richt suspended 3 players for 2 games for violating curfew. I can just imagine his reaction to something like that.

  20. Fredster said

    Just saw on CBS he gets suspended for one game, this one against Vandy. Big whoop!!

  21. chatblu said

    The sportscasters have not been kind and Meyers got fined $30K by the conference for negative comments about the refs.

  22. Beata said

    At this point, I would like Congress to throw out its ” health care reform bill(s)”, or whatever the h*ll they are calling them now, and start over from scratch.
    My fear is that we are going wind up with something far worse than we have now. I didn’t think that could be possible, but it is. What a mess. And Obama has shown NO leadership.

  23. Beata said

    Sorry, I didn’t realize this was a football blog. :lol:

  24. chatblu said

    I competely agree, Beata. This bill has been diluted to death.

  25. Beata said

    My poor Indiana Hoosiers lost to Wisconsin in another close one today. :cry:

  26. madamab said

    Beata – that’s how I feel too. I understand that we can’t wait until after 2010, because we might have a lot more Republicans in office then, but come on! Coming up with something that costs $1 trillion, screws women to the wall, and doesn’t provide universal health care…this is ridiculous!

    Fredster and chatblu are our resident football fiends. Don’t mind them – they are obsessed when their teams are playing!

    :-D

  27. chatblu said

    My game is over. I’m now cheering for Fredster’s Tigers. Sorry, Beata – we will pseudonormalize after the first of the year. At least until Signing Day in February, Spring Practice in April, etc.

  28. chatblu said

    Whoooooooo-hooooooooooo, touchdown, Tigers!

  29. Fredster said

    Fredster and chatblu are our resident football fiends. Don’t mind them – they are obsessed when their teams are playing!

    Don’t forget Fuzzy and his gators when he’s here! :-)

    My poor Tigers did not play well. I expected it to be closer. I kinda knew it was gonna be bad when Jordan Jeffers went out and they put in the other guy. Then there were injuries too. Not making excuses though.

    But now I have to go around whispering “go gators, go gators” since the championship game will be between FL and AL.

    Beata, you just have to ignore me and Chat when it’s Saturday college game day. We’ll be better after the New Year. Chat, our teams will still have a couple of excellent bowl games to go to so we can look forward to that! :-)

  30. Valhalla said

    Madamab — I am so disappointed, I can’t even put it into words. I had such high hopes for the new NOW under Terry’s leadership. Their action alert reads like a DNC propaganda release.

    The mandatory coverage provisions is nothing more than a massive wealth transfer from ordinary Americans to the already obscenely profitable health insurance industry. It’s nothing more than a tax that bypasses the government and goes straight to lining their pockets. And in return we get…what? Nothing.

    NOW claims that “the House bill should be passed because of the many improvements that are proposed to expand health care coverage and benefits for women.” However, they can only name two — an end to disparate premiums for women and a ban on denying health coverage to victims of domestic violence by defining it as a pre-existing condition.

    Both practices by insurers are morally criminal provisions that should have been banned long ago. There is no reason that Congress can’t ban them indepenent of the utter FAIL of a reform bill they’re trying to shove down our throats, and there’s no reason why NOW can’t agitate to ban them indpenent of the bill as well.

    All NOW is doing with this about-face is providing cover for those Democrats too weak to take a stand.

    I can’t say how disgusted I am.

  31. madamab said

    Oh my goodness, Fredster, how could I forget our Fuzzy? Point taken! :lol:

    The latest in healthcare news: Nancy Pelosi is saying they’re going to make history today.

    I think that making good legislation is much more important than making history.

    But maybe that’s why I’m not a politician, just a cranky lefty blogger type.

  32. madamab said

    Valhalla -

    As usual, you have expressed yourself so well. I feel like I’ve been punched in the chest after NOW’s betrayal. You said:

    NOW claims that “the House bill should be passed because of the many improvements that are proposed to expand health care coverage and benefits for women.” However, they can only name two — an end to disparate premiums for women and a ban on denying health coverage to victims of domestic violence by defining it as a pre-existing condition.

    Both practices by insurers are morally criminal provisions that should have been banned long ago. There is no reason that Congress can’t ban them indepenent of the utter FAIL of a reform bill they’re trying to shove down our throats, and there’s no reason why NOW can’t agitate to ban them indpenent of the bill as well.

    All NOW is doing with this about-face is providing cover for those Democrats too weak to take a stand.

    EXACTLY.

  33. Valhalla said

    Madamab — I forgot to say, I wish you’d put your whole post over in the comments to NOW’s “Action Alert.” I almost did it myself, but I thought that wouldn’t be quite the thing without your permission.

  34. madamab said

    Valhalla – if you mean this post, it’s by chatblu. :-)

    If you mean yesterday’s post, I went to the “Say It, Sister” blog and commented on the 10/29 post in favor of Single-Payer healthcare. Let’s just say I was not complimentary.

    MB HAKA :evil:

  35. madamab said

    And geez! Look at the latest post on their blog:

    Please call your Representative RIGHT AWAY and tell her or him to vote NO on the anti-abortion, anti-woman Stupak Amendment. Then forward this message to everyone you know who supports women’s rights!

    Here’s what’s going on:

    The House is debating the health reform bill as I write, and a final vote will be later this evening. There will be only TWO amendments allowed before the final vote:

    The Republican alternative to the bill that’s on the floor
    The Stupak, Ellsworth, Pitts, Smith (NJ), Kaptur and Dahlkemper amendment that would drastically restrict women’s access to legal abortion services.

    Every NOW member and all women’s rights supporters should call their Representatives immediately with a short message: I am a constituent / donor / voter /supporter of (name your congressperson) and I’m calling to urge you to please vote AGAINST the upcoming Stupak amendment. This amendment is a direct effort to curtail women’s access to reproductive health care. Your vote today will determine my vote next November!

    The general number, 202-225-3121 is jammed, so go here to find the direct line to your Member:

    http://www.capwiz.com/now/dbq/officials/.

    If the Washington, DC office is busy, find your congressperson’s district office number at this same link.

    According to the American Public Health Association, “The Stupak amendment would prohibit the ‘public option’ created in the legislation from covering abortion services. In addition, the amendment would prohibit any individual receiving subsidies for their insurance premiums from purchasing a plan that offers abortion services. The amendment could significantly impact lower and middle-income women who are not able to afford to purchase separate supplemental coverage for abortion services.”

    These people are really not on the same page! Talk about mixed messages!

  36. chatblu said

    The House vote does not seem to have taken place. Those votes seem to keep oozing through Nancy’s fingers.

  37. Valhalla said

    Chatblu! I’m so sorry I didn’t check the name on the post.

    Do you know why the vote didn’t take place?

  38. madamab said

    More details on exactly what the plan would and would not cover, in an article called “Where’s the Birth Control” by Sharon Lerner of The Nation:

    None of the bills emerging from the House and Senate require insurers to cover all the elements of a standard gynecological “well visit,” leaving essential care such as pelvic exams, domestic violence screening, counseling about sexually transmitted diseases, and, perhaps most startlingly, the provision of birth control off the list of basic benefits all insurers must cover. Nor are these services protected from “cost sharing,” which means that, depending on what’s in the bill that emerges from the Senate, and, later, the contents of a final bill, women could wind up having to pay for some of these services out of their own pockets. So far, mammograms and Pap tests are covered in every version of the legislation.

    Mind you, this is WITHOUT any amendments by “pro-life” “Democrats” like Bart Stupak. So,I don’t want to hear how he’s causing the problem. All the bills in the House and the Senate have this same bullsh*t in them. Unforgivable!

  39. chatblu said

    Val, if it is this post, feel free as long as it’s okay with Mad. Just please credit TW.

  40. madamab said

    It’s fine with me as long as it’s credited. Go for it, Valhalla!

  41. Valhalla said

    Ok, I copied it in under the same single-payer post as you commented on, madamab, and added the link at the end.

  42. chatblu said

    I think they are still debating the bill.

  43. chatblu said

    Good Lord. The Stupak Amendment passed. Now do you think that Pelosi will pay attention to the fact that her bill is circling the drain?

  44. madamab said

    Oh my Gawd, that POS passed?!

    Every time I think it couldn’t get worse, it does.

  45. Regency said

    What is this *(^*%(U&*^%$E%???

    Oh, the Dems can just get the fuck out now.

  46. chatblu said

    Hey Nancy and Terry: You’re sleeping with the enemy. The bill is (pun intended) an abortion. Passed 220-215. She probably got the votes she needed with the amendment.

  47. madamab said

    Regency – this…is NOT what a feminist looks like.

  48. chatblu said

    Feminist? This is not what a person who possesses the use of reason looks like.

  49. chatblu said

    If anyone else congratulates Axis Nancy on her “strong bill” I will retch.

  50. Regency said

    They’re making her the fall guy come election season. When the constituents start frothing at the mouth, they’re gonna remind them that this was Nancy’s baby.

  51. madamab said

    I just keep remembering how at my old “progressive” haunt, I was told over and over again that Hillary would sell women’s rights down the river.

    Maybe the next time half their f#cking readership walks away, these f#cking “progressive” idiots will f#cking pay f#cking attention.

  52. madamab said

    Chatblu – strong as in “smelling like donkey poop” strong?

    Regency – Of course they’ll blame it on Nancy. It couldn’t possibly be a man’s fault, could it? And especially not “The One.”

  53. chatblu said

    The LightBringer called from Camp David to commend her. That’s when I decided that the “Law and Order SVU” marathon sounded like a happier place to be.

  54. Fredster said

    None of the bills emerging from the House and Senate require insurers to cover all the elements of a standard gynecological “well visit,” leaving essential care such as pelvic exams, domestic violence screening, counseling about sexually transmitted diseases, and, perhaps most startlingly, the provision of birth control off the list of basic benefits all insurers must cover. [snip] So far, mammograms and Pap tests are covered in every version of the legislation.

    Okay y’all know the territory “down south” is kinda foreign to me. ;-) What diseases or conditions could be found by a pelvic exam? I wonder if they’ll cover a breast exam or will they consider that paying for someone copping a feel? :roll:

  55. Cream City said

    You figure it out, Fred — this bill reminds me of the crazy underwear in the catalog from your namesake, Frederick’s of Hollywood . . . the underwear that also didn’t cover the pelvic area.

    Oh, heck, let’s not use such fancy terms like “pelvic.” Let’s emulate Fred of Hollywood. Let’s call this legislation today the Pelosi Crotchless Health Care Bill.

  56. Fredster said

    My reply to you Cream is in moderation. Thanks for that shitty reply to a serious question I had.

  57. Cream City said

    Oh, good lord, I thought a comment with a phrase like “copping a feel” was light-hearted. So I answered in kind.

    I’ve got enemies enough out there, as I was reminded today by Congress. I don’t need more. Thanks for your shitty reply yourself, and good night.

  58. Fredster said

    No it was serious. I thought a Pap test was sufficient for finding most, if not all, of the disease in womens’ reproductive systems. I know that test is to detect cancer but does it detect most of them? I dunno.

    Sorry if I came off crappy, but I was serious about it. I was being snarky about the “copping a feel” thing. I was just wondering what the hell else they want to not cover. I know it sez they’ll cover mammograms but usually isn’t a physical exam of the breast also needed? That’s why I made that comment.

  59. [...] Comments Fredster on MW: Dear Terry: If This is in …Cream City on MW: Dear Terry: If This is in …Fredster on MW: Dear Terry: If This is in [...]

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  61. chatblu said

    Fredster: Uterine fibroids, STD’s, anomilies such as endometriosis, disorders of the cervix, ovarian cysts and tumors and the like. Also, it’s hilarious that Pap smears are covered, but there’s no way to perform them shy of a pelvic exam. Further, OB care depende on them. Gynecologists should be homicidal by now. The bottom just fell out of their income (pun intended).

  62. Fredster said

    Thanks Chat. I didn’t think the Pap would be able to detect ovarian cancer. Also I’ve know a number of women who have had problems with endometriosis and I kinda figured that could not be detected short of a physical exam. I know it caused them a lot of problems. Gee, I wonder if a women has that and has to have a D&C if they’ll cover that?

    And I was semi-serious about the breast exam thing. If they allow mammograms and something is found, doesn’t the doc also do a physical exam? I’m willing to bet though than anything for a prostate condition is covered with no problem. Heh.

    Oh! Can you delete my comment that’s in moderation? Just a misunderstanding.

  63. Cream City said

    Fred, an interesting question — and see my comment on the new thread re other questions that my daughter raises, because you and she as well as we actually, unlike members of Congress, consider the anatomy and biology of women to be interconnected and not so easily parceled out as acceptable parts vs. unacceptable parts.

    (And thanks for the request to remove the moderated comment, whatever it was — as again, as said in the later thread, we’re good.:-) I guess I ought to warn you now, though, that I think to “cop a feel” is one of the funniest things that boyz say and is bound to provoke me to answer in a silly way. But I will watch that and try to be serious when seriousness is apt.)

  64. Hello, I see we had the same thinking on this, and you thought of it first! But, I went for broke and posted an Onion-like news story on my blog (that I made up last night!)

    Peace,
    Kimberly Wilder

    http://wilderside.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/congressmen-read-the-fine-print-and-try-to-reverse-health-care-vote/

    Congressmen read the fine print and try to reverse health care vote

    Several members of Congress are asking the Speaker of the House to change their vote on the Affordable Health Care for America Act, HR 3962, from a YES to a NO. The reason is that some male members of Congress only now discovered hidden language that will make it more difficult for men to receive vasectomies.

    Representative Bill Horn (D-FL) stated, “I feel very oppressed by the fact, that I thought I was passing something to improve health care for myself and my children, but I did not realize that the fine print would take away the rights of myself and my sons to control their family planning decisions.”

    Men who feel burdened by these provisions in the health care bill — which may also affect their ability to receive: prescriptions for Viagra; prostate screenings and treatment; and treatment for jock itch — should read this very important article:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-malcolm/the-assault-on-womens-rep_b_349623.html

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