Posted by: chatblu on: July 10, 2010
The United States outlawed federal imprisonment for debt in 1833, and most states did at the same time. Prior to that, incarceration for debt was a widespread practice. Today, prison for debts other than taxes and failure to support a minor child are rare, but may be making a comeback.
The Minneapolis-St Paul Tribune ran a recent article regarding ordinary people who found themselves tossed in jail for failure to pay consumer debt.
“It’s not a crime to owe money, and debtors’ prisons were abolished in the United States in the 19th century. But people are routinely being thrown in jail for failing to pay debts. In Minnesota, which has some of the most creditor-friendly laws in the country, the use of arrest warrants against debtors has jumped 60 percent over the past four years, with 845 cases in 2009, a Star Tribune analysis of state court data has found.”
“Not every warrant results in an arrest, but in Minnesota many debtors spend up to 48 hours in cells with criminals. Consumer attorneys say such arrests are increasing in many states, including Arkansas, Arizona and Washington, driven by a bad economy, high consumer debt and a growing industry that buys bad debts and employs every means available to collect.”
In Illinois and Indiana, people have been jailed for relatively small debts. A man was jailed until he could come up with $300 toward a lumberyard bill. Part of the reason for this is the growing number of very aggressive firms that purchase bad debt and pursue any and all tactics to collect. These debts are purchased for a few cents on the dollar, and charged back to the consumer at full boat plus interest, attorneys’ costs and the like. They take the person to court and use friendly courts for enforcement. Some of them are racking up huge profit margins. To wit:
Portfolio Recovery Associates of Norfolk, Va., a publicly traded debt buyer with the biggest profits and market capitalization, earned $44 million last year on $281 million in revenue — a 16 percent net margin. Encore Capital Group, another large debt buyer based in San Diego, had a margin last year of 10 percent. By comparison, Wal-Mart’s profit margin was 3.5 percent.
Todd Lansky, chief operating officer at Resurgence Financial LLC, a Northbrook, Ill.-based debt buyer, said firms like his operate within the law, which says people who ignore court orders can be arrested for contempt. By the time a warrant is issued, a debtor may have been contacted up to 12 times, he said.
Let’s just say that it’s not that you don’t want to pay this bill, it’s that you can’t. With an actual unemployment rate of nearly 18%, approximately 1 in 6 Americans is struggling to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. If you have had to move or go to a shelter, your address and phone number could be in a state of flux. Here are a few stories from people on this matter:
One afternoon last spring, Deborah Poplawski, 38, of Minneapolis was digging in her purse for coins to feed a downtown parking meter when she saw the flashing lights of a Minneapolis police squad car behind her. Poplawski, a restaurant cook, assumed she had parked illegally. Instead, she was headed to jail over a $250 credit card debt.
Less than a month earlier, she learned by chance from an employment counselor that she had an outstanding warrant. Debt Equities, a Golden Valley debt buyer, had sued her, but she says nobody served her with court documents. Thanks to interest and fees, Poplawski was now on the hook for $1,138.
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“Thank God, the police had mercy and left me and my baby alone,” said Nielsen, who later paid the debt. “But to send someone to arrest me two weeks after a massive surgery that takes most women eight weeks to recover from was just unbelievable.”
Haekyung Nielsen, 27, of Bloomington, said police showed up at her house on a civil warrant two weeks after she gave birth through Caesarean section. A debt buyer had sent her court papers for an old credit-card debt while she was in the hospital; Nielsen said she did not have time to respond.
Her baby boy, Tyler, lay in the crib as she begged the officer not to take her away.
“Thank God, the police had mercy and left me and my baby alone,” said Nielsen, who later paid the debt. “But to send someone to arrest me two weeks after a massive surgery that takes most women eight weeks to recover from was just unbelievable.”
Or, how about this one?
“Many debtors, like Robert Vee, 36, of Brooklyn Park, get a second surprise after being arrested — their bail is exactly the amount of money owed.”
Here’s a list of the top five companies that employ the courts to collect their debts. The number after their name is the number of warrants issued for them in Minnesota, per the Star Tribune:
Unifund CCR Partners Cincinnati Debt buyer 247
Portfolio Recovery Assoc. Norfolk, Va. Debt buyer 130
Debt Equities LLC Golden Valley Debt buyer 92
Capital One Bank McLean, Va. Credit card issuer 53
Lakes Gas Co. Forest Lake Propane supplier 41
Now, don’t get me wrong. I honestly believe that people should pay their debts when due, or make reasonable arrangements to do so. Collect the money, mess up their credit, repossess or whatever – just don’t criminialize a civil matter. Police, jails and other public entities are being used to make a profit for private companies. Most municipalities are having trouble rendering adequate city services, and most jails are crowded with criminals. How much are these cities spending incarcerating some poor soul who lost his/her job and their home, and was unaware that they had a court date regarding their MasterCard bill? Down here, people get probation for some pretty sordid crimes. Shall we gives petty criminals more probation so that we can incarcerate people who didn’t pay their gas bill? Are the rest of us going to pay escalating taxes so that we can accommodate them in the Greybar Inn? Also, some municipalities bill people for their incarceration expenses. How are these going to be paid? All I can say, is OMG.
This is an open thread.
Right Chat, that’s it. Most times no one ( and I mean no one but collection lawyers) understands that once you make a settlement, it’s binding, and if you miss a payment, you are then in default. Usually the actual cause of the arrest is for failure to show up in court not the underlying debt. YOU ONLY GET ONE SUMMONS PER CASE. After that, you may just get a letter from the lawyer, or you may get noting at all. You are supposed to remember the payment date.
Usually the case is set down on the court docket for your monthly payment date, and if you don’t get that check to the lawyer in time, the lawyer will get a notice of default, and then a “bench warrant” will issue. In some states this bench warrant is sent to the Registry of Motor Vehicles, so it will show up as an open default if you get stopped for running stop sign or going 30 in a 20 zone. Then you are in the slammer and you didn’t realize that the agreement you made to pay by a certain day each month actually was an agreement that unless you pay by that date the creditor will enforce collection.
This is very tricky stuff known only to collection lawyers who may or may not follow their local law. I highly recommend NOLO publications paperbacks on debt collection, landlord issues, etc. They are on AMAZON and fairly cheap, Well worth the price if you are behind on anything.
The only thing that comes to mind is the old saying “can’t get blood from a turnip”.
Hillary and Bill looking for a new house:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bedford_hill_bill_BrCbhHcYNSeSdBQPGQEWcL
Chat: I would have thought they’d want something with a bit more cover and trees and stuff. It is really nice though and I think the Chappaqua (?) house was the first they owned. They’ll certainly have room for grandkids!
Hey all…I know it’s a quiet Saturday but I’m just stopping by to say hello. I’ll have a full post for you all on Monday, but I’m trying to ease back into this whole computer thingy slowly. I haven’t used one since June 24th! I really went into deep vacation mode this time.
I just finished reading all the great posts Chat and Blue wrote while I was gone. Kudos, ladies, you did a fantastic job!
I’m sure Back Bay Style is right and that technically speaking, the failure to obey the summons is why people are going to jail. But isn’t it interesting how these summonses are not required to be delivered in person, like subpoenas? I would think that if you have not committed a crime, and you just need to give your testimony in court, a subpoena would be more appropriate than a summons. And, it could prevent all the confusion and the jail time…oh wait. Never mind.
Hi MB..welcome back.
Alas, the law is written by the big lenders and their collection lawyers…what a shock!. “Sewer service” meaning that the initial summons need only be “left” at your last known place of residence is all too common, and is very often the cause of failure to appear by responsible people. They can just stuff it under your storm door, and if it happens to blow away before you get home, too bad, you will be in default. This is probably what happened in the Minnesota cases. Disgusting, but we know how the oligarchy works. And collection law has long been an area of abuse.
It sounds as if the Minnesota laws are not as debtor friendly as they would have you believe. I mean, what in ^^^^was a police car doing tracking down a registration number in a parking lot? This smells fishy to me. Even in states where it is still the practice to send civil bench warrants to the Registry of Motor Vehicles, the cops generally don’t go out looking for the debtor. It’s usually only if you have a minor traffic violation and get stopped that they would run your registration and find the outstanding warrant. Some states don’t allow the default notices on civil cases to be sent to the RMV anymore, on the theory that why should the state pay for a private creditors collection action? Usually the creditor decides whether the debt is large enough to pay for a constable to bring the person in to court. And that costs several hundred dollars. But a big company might decide it’s worth it if they have a lot of outstanding accounts. The poor woman in the article was undoubtedly better off with the police because constables just want to get paid, the more the better, and they generally show no mercy. And the cost of the whole thing just gets added on to the debtor’s account.
So yes, MB, this is my long-winded way of saying, why are we not surprised that the system works for the big lenders and not us “small people”. This stuff makes my blood pressure rise.
I will have to go to the beach. AAAAaaarrrhhh! Another Charlie Brown moment! Happy Sunday, all!
Thanks, guys! Good to be back.
Thanks DYB!
So, you didn’t like Toy Story 3? I loved it. I agree that it was pretty scary, though, especially for very young children.
Still, some of the best children’s movies are like that. I think Pixar is just continuing in the Old Disney tradition of movies like Snow White and Pinocchio. There were some terrifying moments in those movies…yet children loved them. Children know that life isn’t all rainbows and candy canes.
Night all!
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July 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Out of control! If this was outlawed, though, how is it legal?