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MW: Cultural change at the barrel of a gun?

Posted by: bluelyon on: July 31, 2010

Peter Daou’s heart is in the right place when he tweets:

Negative reaction from (male) liberal peers when I suggest oppression, rape & slaughter of women/girls might justify military intervention

And:

Keep getting asked if we should also consider intervention to save raped and ravaged women/girls in Congo and elsewhere. Answer: of course.

I understand where Daou is coming from. He is arguably the the most committed male champion of women’s rights I’ve seen in my lifetime. Unfortunately, military intervention solely on the behalf of women is just not what happens. Ever.

I’m torn over the current Time cover. On the one hand, I know that this issue must be made real to the rest of the world and images like this one assist in that goal. On the other hand, the use of the image to imply that ending our military operations in Afganistan will lead to more Aisha’s is beyond the pale. We must stay in Afghanistan, we are told, or terrible things will happen to women!

When I look at the cover, I see what has been done so many times: women being used as pawns, as currency, as bargaining chips. Their bodies are being used to manipulate our emotions and to fan the flames of war.

But there is an elision here between these women’s oppression and what the U.S. military presence can and should do about it, which in turn simplifies the complexities of the debate and turns it into, “Well, do you want to help Aisha or not?”

How is this any better than using the fear of another 9/11 (or worse!) to both dampen dissent on one side and to gain public support for the case for invading Iraq on the other? This woman’s image is being used as cover for our continued military presence in Afghanistan, pure and simple.

Abuse of women, physical and psychological is a global fact. I don’t write this saying I have a solution since atrocities against Afghani women are deplorable and it has yet to be seen if we can support the women of Afghanistan the way we would want to or would be the most effective. But I do take issue with the consistent practice in Western media to use women’s bodies to prove a point, because it creates a fantasy about what our motives are, obscuring the politics that are at play.

We must stay to protect the women, we are told. Really? Our military is already there and their presence did nothing to save Aisha.

The Taliban pounded on the door just before midnight, demanding that Aisha, 18, be punished for running away from her husband’s house. Her in-laws treated her like a slave, Aisha pleaded. They beat her. If she hadn’t run away, she would have died. Her judge, a local Taliban commander, was unmoved. Aisha’s brother-in-law held her down while her husband pulled out a knife. First he sliced off her ears. Then he started on her nose.

This didn’t happen 10 years ago, when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan. It happened last year.

Short of giving every woman and girl a military escort, and one that be with her 24/7, how do we protect all the Afghani from the culture they swim in? The culture that sees women as not human, as property, as deserving of having their ears and noses slashed off for disobeying their husband? Does anyone see this culture changing at the barrel of a gun, or the bomb from a drone?

A gun is useful to stop a thief or murderer. I’ve never seen a bullet cause a genuine change of heart. Would that they could. I’d take up arms to make it happen.

I don’t have an answer. Just saying my piece.

This is an open thread.

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10 Responses to "MW: Cultural change at the barrel of a gun?"

I agree…I just don’t see how the Taliban are ever going to leave Afghanistan until the Afghans kick them out. They are there because enough people want them there. It’s horrible, but what can we do about it? Obviously nothing, if Aisha is any indicator.

I also don’t see that we are some kind of shining example in America. Sure, we don’t do the horrific things to women that the Taliban does. But we do oppress women in more subtle, yet also devastating, ways.

I think we should mow our own lawns before we start telling our neighbors to cut the grass.

On another topic – it’s Clinton mania in New York. All the news stations were desperately trying to get a glimpse of the wedding guests and the bride and groom last night, but everything was pretty locked down.

Of course, Bill just had to take a stroll down Rhinebeck’s main street. He was mobbed!

Rhinebeck is such a beautiful town. I love all the river towns in the Hudson Valley. They are unique, with stunning views of a glorious river, and a perfect setting for a wedding.

It’s great weather today, too.

@1 – But we do oppress women in more subtle, yet also devastating, ways.. Yes, go see my latest at Blue Lyon.

@2 – I am so happy for them. I’m reading all over that there is conjecture that anywhere from $2-5 million is being spent on the wedding, but seeing as how nobody knows anything about this except Chelsea and Marc, I find all the speculation ridiculous.

Yeah this wedding could be the start of Hillary 2012…I see a hope for us Liberals yet….

The US did not invade Afghanistan to save women from violence and oppression. And making women safe there has not been at the top of the US government or military’s agenda. So why are they using women and their safety as an excuse to stay? I agree completely that Afghani (etc. etc.) culture will not change because American troops are on the ground. The very concept of it has absolutely no basis in reality. And American troops’ presence did not help the young woman on the cover of the magazine. Time magazine should use photos like that to raise the issue of violence against women – and leave the US military in Afghanistan out of it because the two issues have absolutely nothing in common.

Amen, DYB.

I just saw “Inception.” It was very interesting and extremely well-acted. It kind of left the emotional connection to the main character a little too late, though. I wasn’t sure I cared what happened to him.

Amazing score, though.

@ 7 – I hate movies where I know I’m supposed to care about the main characters and I don’t. On the other hand, it is kind of fun to sit in the theater and think about the character, “Oh, please, just die already and put me out of your misery!”

Was it like that for Inception?

No – it wasn’t that bad. :-) it was good – just more of an intellectual exercise than an emotional one.

OK.here it is..WE are the invaders into an incredibly backward and oppressive society, that is , or was, a sovereign country. It’s true that women and female children are oppressed, maimed, and murdered ( and the males are manipulated and deformed ) under the cultural, and whatever passes for “legal” (read Sharia law) norms practiced by this place. However, how would OUR country have reacted if another power player had intervened and waged an invasive and murderous war to “correct” and “normalize” our practices re: slavery? Or South Africa? Or Russia (and etc). I fail to see the utility of promoting our so-called superior way of life at the mercy of a drone. Liberating cultural change has been documented as a result of EMPOWERMENT of women, both economically, and medically. (See this:

http://www.accion.org/Page.aspx?pid=1876

I have been a contributor to “Heifer International” also, for the great majority of my life. :

http://www.heifer.org/#

I guess what I’m saying is, you CAN’T change a culture at the barrel of a gun…(Yes, BL), but there are documented OTHER ways to accomplish those goals, that DON’T kill our children, and wedding parties, and innocent bystanders, taxi drivers, vendors and on and on and on…..
Oh, BTW..today I’m the OFFICIAL Green party candidate for US Congress, District 12, MI (the home of Sander Levin, D, who just voted for continuation of war funding, and did NOT vote for a defined pull-out for our troups (read: children/grandchildren).

https://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=26918&type=category&category=47&go.x=15&go.y=9

So..soon to “break cover” and post my stuff!!

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