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Feminist Friday: More Daughters, More Divorce

Posted by: madamab on: September 10, 2010

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Today I am going to talk about one of my “favorite” kinds of misogyny: when the media writes about some type of statistic which “proves” that women are inferior, evil, or to blame for something bad that happens around them. This week’s example: an article entitled “More Daughters, More Divorce,” which was published in Tuesday’s Salon.

The subtitle of the article reads, “Girls are associated with a higher likelihood of a parental split, but there is no agreement on why.” Uhhhhh….okay. Couldn’t the higher likelihood just be a random coincidence, since there is no proof to the contrary?

Well, it must be a really big difference if people are writing about it, I suppose. Maybe it is all the fault of teh wimminz.

The sex of your baby can tell you all sorts of things — namely, which pastel hue will soon overtake your life — but rarely do couples consider what it will mean for their marriage. Cue this curious fact: Those with a daughter are 5 percent more likely to divorce than those with a boy, and the likelihood of a split only increases with each additional daughter. What’s more, unwed couples are more likely to marry if they discover they have a boy on the way.

Wow, a whopping 5% difference! Pardon me, but is that really significant enough to discuss in public? Far more interesting (I think) is the idea that parents are more likely to get married when they know they are going to have a son together. That would seem to be worth exploring – are women viewed as inferior than men, even before they are born? 

But the author does not explore it, because apparently it’s more important to find out whether daughters, simply by being wimminz, cause divorce. You think I’m snarking? Sadly, no! The Salon article links to another by Lisa Belkin at the New York Times, entitled “Do Daughters Cause Divorce?” Belkin also reaches no conclusions at the end of her article.

You know who did reach a conclusion? A man named Steven E. Landsburg, who wrote this about the original 2003 “study” that produced this statistic:

“All over the world, boys hold marriages together, and girls break them up.”

He also wrote:

[Landsburg suggested that] “daughters are a liability in the market for a husband. Not only do daughters lower the probability of remarriage; they also lower the probability that a second marriage, if it does occur, will succeed.”

Well, isn’t that a fine how-de-do! I’m surprised Mr. Landsburg didn’t suggest that women who have daughters should put them up for adoption so their marriages, whether they be first, second or 19th, would improve. Seems like the logical next step to me!

Landsburg’s monumentally sexist remarks were quoted in psychology professor Anita Kelly’s post on the Psychology Today website, to which both the articles I quoted above refer. Now, our friend Anita doesn’t necessarily agree with Landsburg, not because he is a giant horse’s ass, but because he has “overlooked several important facts.” (One of which being: he is a giant horse’s ass. Sadly, this is not among the good professor’s bullet points.) Ahem. These are the facts according to Kelly:

1.  Recent statistics in the US show that 73% of divorces involve wives leaving their husbands. So, perhaps we should be wondering, “Why are mothers of daughters divorcing more than mothers of sons?”

2.  When adult sons live at home, they add to the daily workload of their parents. When adult daughters live at home, they decrease the daily workload.*

3.  Females offer more and better social support than do men (see Shelley Taylor’s 2002 book, The Tending Instinct).

4.  An enormous human motivation is avoiding being lonely (see Cacioppo and Patrick’s 2008 book, Loneliness: Human Nature and the Need for Social Connection).

When we add up these facts, a conclusion we might draw is that wives with daughters are less likely to stay with their husbands because they know that with a girl, they’ll never be lonely or without help. Thus, they may be less willing to tolerate any bad behaviors from their husbands (and less willing to stay married) because they don’t need their husbands as much. This idea could even explain why couples expecting a girl are less likely to marry: A woman carrying a girl anticipates that she won’t need a husband.

Yes, a woman who is pregnant with a girl anticipates that in eight or ten years after the baby’s born, she can start Cinderella on daily sweeps of the fireplace, so she feels no need to get married. After all, a husband is only good for chores and an occasional hug or so, and a daughter can totally take care of both!  Am I right, ladies and germs?

I’m not sure, but I think Kelly has managed to outdo Landsburg’s assery by making both men and women appear completely unappealing as partners. Women are cold slavedrivers who see their husbands as a giant job jar. Men don’t want to get married unless there’s a little boy on board. Blech! With “studies” like this around, it’s a wonder the divorce rate isn’t 100%.

By the way, my parents never divorced despite having the “handicap” of having a daughter. I guess I’m one of the lucky 95% (cough, cough) for whom this statistic has no meaning at all! Or maybe having a brother negated the “daughter divorce effect.” All this science-y stuff is so difficult to comprehend!

My favorite response to these various talking points came in comments to the New York Times article. It’s so good, I’m going to quote it in full:

Overlooking the reductive, lobotomized assumption that women’s relationships with their kids AND partners consist entirely of dividing up household labor, I’ll just suggest a different possible reason for the slightly higher divorce rate among moms of girls: Moms want to show their girls how to be emotionally healthy adults. Getting out of a bad marriage would be necessary for any mom; for a mom of girls, the impetus could be slightly stronger because she doesn’t want her girls to repeat her mistakes.

Now that sounds more plausible to me. But who knows? Since correlation is not causation, I suppose divorce is just one more thing in America that can become – say it with me now – ALL WOMEN’S FAULT.

This is an open thread.

17 Responses to "Feminist Friday: More Daughters, More Divorce"

This is getting beyond tiresome – so are females to be blamed for all the wars next – how about sun spots, must be a female problem. Darned those pesky XXers. Time to put them in their place – oh wait…..

Madamab enjoy your services tonight.

It never amazes me how much Malarky you can find Madamab…what were you born with an internal BULLSHIT detector…which to me would be better than being born with Internal Gaydar! Truely amazing what is your secret oh beautiful and intellegent one?

But of course this story stinks so high with the smell of Gade AAA Dept of Agriculture Dung even I could notice its stench here in the hinterlands!

Exactly, HT!

Fuzzy – :oops:

There is just so much out there, all I have to do is look at any major news outlet on any given day. There’s bound to be something, sadly!

Wait, I thought divorce among straight couples was the fault of gay marriage?

I like this quote
“Because women’s work is never done and is underpaid or unpaid or boring or repetitious and we’re the first to get fired and what we look like is more important than what we do and if we get raped it’s our fault and if we get beaten we must have provoked it and if we raise our voices we’re nagging bitches and if we enjoy sex we’re nymphos and if we don’t we’re frigid and if we love women it’s because we can’t get a “real” man and if we ask our doctor too many questions we’re neurotic and/or pushy and if we expect childcare we’re selfish and if we stand up for our rights we’re aggressive and “unfeminine” and if we don’t we’re typical weak females and if we want to get married we’re out to trap a man and if we don’t we’re unnatural and because we still can’t get an adequate safe contraceptive but men can walk on the moon and if we can’t cope or don’t want a pregnancy we’re made to feel guilty about abortion and…for lots of other reasons we are part of the women’s liberation movement. ~Author unknown, quoted in The Torch, 14 September 1987″

Over 20 years, and times have not changed.

Statistics can be manipulated (MANipulated).

I’d say that the jerk went in with the theory of the EVIL female and found the proof — with the old “experimenter bias” crap-ola.

Some of the soc-science crap is so bad — makes me wonder about the quality of teaching going on in the colleges today.

Even the so called hard sciences are over run with jerks who manipulate the numbers.

DYB, well obviously, the 5% divorce rate is caused by (you guessed it) young Lesbian offspring – yeah, that’s the ticket.

Ugh! This is the third time I’ve started this comment because I hardly know where to begin. Res ipsa loquitur: the thing speaks for itself. I think the commenter has a point. Women are indoctrinated to put their wants, needs, and feelings second and most of us do. We aren’t even aware of it until we have a daughter and we start seeing the world through their eyes and how we want things to be for them. Years ago, when I filed an EEOC complaint against a corporation, I remember that in the back of my mind, I felt I was fighting for my daughter. I’ve often wondered if I would have had the courage to do what I did if I did not have a daughter.

Do daughters cause divorce? No. Does having a daughter rekindle the fire in women to resist abuse and discrimination? In my case, it did.

Sometimes, it isn’t having a daughter, but it can be a close friendship with another woman. I remember that being said about my mother. Her best friend’s husband was heard to say that he was happier when his wife and my mom were taking a break from their friendship because of an argument. He claimed that his wife was nicer to him and even their sex life was better when his wife didn’t spend time with my mom. What a jerk. Maybe it’s that women draw strength from each other to fight oppression.

My parents separated and divorced shortly after I was born. They had been married for over a decade and already had one child, a son. I grew up with the feeling that many children of divorce have – that I was somehow to blame. I have struggled with this feeling all my life. My mother never remarried ( my father did – almost immediately ). No doubt I was responsible for that, too. :roll:

@1: Not only war, but also famine, pestilence and death.

HT @ 5: I love that quote. I’m going to print it out and hang it near my desk. Thanks.

@5: Yes, excellent quote. Really hits home.

Anything in those studies about the abuse female children suffer at the hands of their fathers and stepfathers, abuse that their brothers are spared? Perhaps that is another reason women with female children are more likely to divorce and not remarry – to protect their daughters.

@13 – I suppose you can count that in the “several important facts” Landsburg missed.

Well I sorta took it that having daughters gave married women more moral support to leave a possibly bad marriage; that they would have strength from the daughters moreso that from sons.

Not having ever been married, I’ve seen in action sometimes, the situation where a man meets a woman who has a child or children from a previous marriage and the child is a daughter and the guy’s line of thinking is “Oh hell she’s got a daughter. What if she gets older, goes wild, gets knocked up and then she and the brat are freeloading off of me.” I have heard that line of thinking which I believe is just idiotic. How the hell does anyone know how a kid is going to turn out?

The thing that’s so weird is that the psychologist theorizes that women who are pregnant with a girl then feel, “Hey! I’m not going to need a husband now because me daughter can take over his household chores.” Uh, whaaaa?

And the men who think that way (girls are too much trouble) should be to blame for divorces, not the children, surely?

Amen Madamab I wish I was at the service would love to hear you sing…I have a thing for tallented people:

Here is my motto to live by:

“Marry Often, but Only to Interesting Men”

alma werfel mahler (1879-1964)

she is a favorite of mine!

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